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[Kuros]

[rollo]

Stupidity. is stupidity. Perhaps this guy is too stupid to be left to roam around unattended. Then Canada is doing us a favor locking him up,

Shame!, Shame! for calling Canada a U.S. protectorate! It is and will always be a British colony!!! The U.S only notices it when they have to tell its politicians what Canada's correct policies should be. .

[Smithington]

It is the height of arrogance to cross the border into another country without considering its position on such (minor) things as guns. He wasn't carrying a box of chocolates. He was carrying a loaded weapon, one which inflicts untold suffering on the American populace every day of the week. Not a few Canadians have also been killed by guns smuggled in from the US. It is only the most arrogant type of American who thinks that America is the world, and American laws can be taken with them across the border. The world doesn't work that way. The Canadian border guards have a responsibility to enforce Canadian laws at the border, and to punish and deter those who break them. Same applies with regard to American border guards and Canadians coming South. Border guards are not decoration. They are there for a reason. In this case they were only doing their job, as will the judge who sentences this character to jail time.

The sooner America gets rid of its gun culture the better. Until that time, let's not be so arrogant as to think that other countries attitudes towards guns can just be shrugged off. Their country; their rules. You don't like it, don't visit that country. If you visit that country (even 'by accident') with a loaded weapon, and deny having it in your possession, you're a criminal. If you simply forgot where you put your gun, you're a fool. At the very least, legal matters aside, the man is guilty of irresponsible 'storage' of a weapon. "Honey, did you see my gun?" "No honeycakes, did you check the laundry basket? Maybe one of the kids is playing with it...Did you leave it in the car?"

Honestly, what kind of fool doesn't recall where he put his friggin' gun? And he's supposedly ex-military. You show that kind of disregard for the whereabouts of your firearm in the military and you got some serious 'splainin to do.

I'm glad this story is getting wide-spread coverage. Hopefully it'll remind some people that, in all the countries that constitute Western civilization, only the US has such a complacent attitude towards guns. Canadian rules are the norm; American rules emphatically are not.

So yeah, as the wiseguy who started this thread noted, the driver "wasn't in Kansas anymore." Brilliant observation there, Sherlock.

[Fox]

[Smithington]

That's likely what will happen. He's unlikely to do three years' jail time. They'll probably incarcerate him for a month, fine him, and place his name on a 'mandatory vehicle search list' should he even wish to visit Canada again.

But we shouldn't take his explanation as gospel truth. We've all made up stories to try and get out of trouble before. I'd be interested to know if he had his passport in his possesssion. That might give some clue as to whether he intended to cross the border. Or did he misplace that, too? I honestly don't think one can 'accidentally' find themselves on bridge to a foreign country. These things are clearly marked, and designed so that 'mistakes' like these are highly unlikely to occur. Are we to believe he is as incompetent at driving (and reading signs) as he is at remembering where he puts his guns? Something doesn't add up, and it's just possible that a judge will not buy his story.

But if the judge concludes that he was just dumb, he's not likely to hand down a three year sentence. Either way, guns are not toys and are to handled with the utmost seriousness. The driver did not remember that. Unfortunately for him, the border guard did.

[Fox]

[Smithington]

[Leon]

If he is as foolish as he seems, he will actually show up for his court date, otherwise all he has to do is just not go back to Canada.

[Fox]

[catman]

Reminds me of this story a couple of years ago about a Michigan cop who lamented the fact that he couldn't carry his handgun in Canada:

[bababooey]

He was lucky he got caught in Canada, if the Border Services Officers would have turned them around with his gun they would have called down to the USCBP to let them know one of their citizens is returning to the US with a gun they did not declare on export as required by US law. Unlike Canada where the court is likely to give this guy a slap on the wrist (if he even comes back for his court date), when the USCBP charges people for not declaring on export they hit them with the full weight of the law.

Best case scenario for these people would have been to get their gun seized by CBSA, pay the conveyance penalty issued against their vehicle and return to the US without the gun so that USCBP couldn't charge them. What happened to them is middle of the road in terms of consequences because even though they have been issued a Canadian court date at least they don't face the wrath of the laws of their own country.

And for the record USCBP is way less tolerant than CBSA and their enforcement will not be overturned by their higher ups as so often happens in Canada.

[Steelrails]