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Lucas



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject: Winter Olympics - update Reply with quote

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2553191/Embarrassment-Putin-eve-Winter-Games-sewage-water-no-spectators-run-hotels-no-pillows-athletes.html

[/quote]'Nothing was stolen, but a TV had finally been installed. It could have been worse: The door to one guy’s room was supposedly kicked down by workers trying to put in a cable box.'
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, those pics made for a good morning chuckle.

I'm wondering who the Russian media is spinning all of this
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actionjackson



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've looked through several pictures on various sites and it's hard to believe how many buildings look like they're so far from being completed. There are some that look like they won't be finished before the olympics are over.
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who isn't particularly into sports, my main interest in the Olympics is political. The Olympics have 'Putin' written all over them. Their failure could topple him, and there might even be forces at work trying to ensure that he comes out of this poorly. Then there's the whole 'no gays' thing. And that's before we even get to the terrorist thrreat against the games. The choice of location seems insane. It would have made more sense to locate the games somewhere a bit further away from a zone reknowned for Islamist extremism. Oh, and a place that just occasionally has snowfall. The 'not quite ready' status of so many things is good for a chuckle, but the outcome of these games could have some serious repercussions.

Now bring on the hot Russian girls. Very Happy
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catman



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully no one is blown up in the name of you know who.

Seriously though, I'm afraid there will be some type of terrorist attack. I just hope it is outside of Sochi.
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guavashake



Joined: 09 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
As someone who isn't particularly into sports, my main interest in the Olympics is political. The Olympics have 'Putin' written all over them. Their failure could topple him, and there might even be forces at work trying to ensure that he comes out of this poorly. Then there's the whole 'no gays' thing.


A gigantic fraud that has nothing to do with gay rights...

The hysterical outcry against the Russian “anti-gay” law is a monumental public relations scam and has nothing to do with genuine concerns about gay rights. Find out what it’s really about in this video.

http://www.infowars.com/the-truth-about-russias-anti-gay-law/

10 Things You Didn’t Know About
Russia’s so-called Anti-Gay Law & LGBT Rights
1. The law never mentions or uses the word gay, lesbian, homosexual or any other
LGBT identifier. [Chapter 2 & Appendix]
2. The law focuses on children, it’s title is “On Protections of Minors from Propaganda
of Non-Traditional Sexual Relations”. The messaging and strategy to bring the ban
on propaganda from the law of several regions to national laws is part of a larger
family values push and is based on the successful anti-same sex marriage push in
the United States. [Chapter 2]
3. Russia is actually expanding protections of members of the LGBT community: On
September 20, 2013 the official delegation of the Russia Federation announced
their willingness to take all required measures to prevent homophobic hate crimes
and discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation at the 24th UN Human Rights
Council. [Chapter 2]
4. There have been regional (much harsher) versions of the propaganda ban in effect
for 7 years and there were only 2 convictions for violations of the regional laws and
both were overturned. [Chapter 3]
5. In 6 months of the Federal Law there have been 3 convictions: 2 were acts of civil
disobedience to challenge the legality of the law, the other is a story which you must
read. [Chapter 3]
6. Statistically you are far more likely to be the victim of an anti-LGBT Hate Crime in
the United States than in Russia. [Chapter 4]
7. In Russia you cannot be fired from your job for being an LGBT individual, in the
United States you can. [Chapter 4]
8. Since 1993 gay sex was made legal in Russia, in 12 US States gay sex is a crime.
[Chapter 4]
9. While President Obama says “I have no patience for countries that try to treat gays
or lesbians or transgender persons in ways that intimidate them or are harmful to
them.” his policies demonstrate he has nothing but patience. [Chapter 5]
10. The group impacted most if found to be in violation of the law: multinational corporations
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guavashake wrote:

A gigantic fraud that has nothing to do with gay rights...

The hysterical outcry against the Russian “anti-gay” law is a monumental public relations scam


Agreed. I'm a little tired of self-righteous westerners trying to make every other nation in their own image.



KBS COVERAGE has started with the predictable speed skating, with the Koreans swerving into everyone elses lane as usual.

The korean commentators did not laugh when a Japanese skater wiped out though. The only difference.
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guavashake wrote:
Smithington wrote:
As someone who isn't particularly into sports, my main interest in the Olympics is political. The Olympics have 'Putin' written all over them. Their failure could topple him, and there might even be forces at work trying to ensure that he comes out of this poorly. Then there's the whole 'no gays' thing.


A gigantic fraud that has nothing to do with gay rights...

The hysterical outcry against the Russian “anti-gay” law is a monumental public relations scam and has nothing to do with genuine concerns about gay rights. Find out what it’s really about in this video.

http://www.infowars.com/the-truth-about-russias-anti-gay-law/

10 Things You Didn’t Know About
Russia’s so-called Anti-Gay Law & LGBT Rights
1. The law never mentions or uses the word gay, lesbian, homosexual or any other
LGBT identifier. [Chapter 2 & Appendix]
2. The law focuses on children, it’s title is “On Protections of Minors from Propaganda
of Non-Traditional Sexual Relations”. The messaging and strategy to bring the ban
on propaganda from the law of several regions to national laws is part of a larger
family values push and is based on the successful anti-same sex marriage push in
the United States. [Chapter 2]
3. Russia is actually expanding protections of members of the LGBT community: On
September 20, 2013 the official delegation of the Russia Federation announced
their willingness to take all required measures to prevent homophobic hate crimes
and discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation at the 24th UN Human Rights
Council. [Chapter 2]
4. There have been regional (much harsher) versions of the propaganda ban in effect
for 7 years and there were only 2 convictions for violations of the regional laws and
both were overturned. [Chapter 3]
5. In 6 months of the Federal Law there have been 3 convictions: 2 were acts of civil
disobedience to challenge the legality of the law, the other is a story which you must
read. [Chapter 3]
6. Statistically you are far more likely to be the victim of an anti-LGBT Hate Crime in
the United States than in Russia. [Chapter 4]
7. In Russia you cannot be fired from your job for being an LGBT individual, in the
United States you can. [Chapter 4]
8. Since 1993 gay sex was made legal in Russia, in 12 US States gay sex is a crime.
[Chapter 4]
9. While President Obama says “I have no patience for countries that try to treat gays
or lesbians or transgender persons in ways that intimidate them or are harmful to
them.” his policies demonstrate he has nothing but patience. [Chapter 5]
10. The group impacted most if found to be in violation of the law: multinational corporations


1) Russian law as it is written is not the same as Russian law as it works

2) Your info is from infowars, so unless you kind find it somewhere else it is not believable. Also, anti-gay sex laws are not enforceable anywhere in the US because of Supreme Court rulings, so if something that prominent is wrong/misleading it is hard to believe the rest of it.
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Chaparrastique



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NBC’s Olympic-Sized Bias: 13 Times More Coverage to Russian Anti-Gay Law Than Attacks on Syrian Christians

Journalists love to preen as human rights watchdogs, congratulating themselves publicly for their roles – real or imagined – in securing the life and liberty of the downtrodden. That is, as long as it’s the right sort of downtrodden.

Take, for example, NBC’s coverage in the run up to the Sochi Winter Olympics. Because of Russian restrictions on gays’ free speechfor homosexuals, the official Olympic network repeatedly fretted about gay “human rights.” NBC speculated about the rights and safety of gay athletes and visitors to Sochi, reported extensively on Russia’s gay community, talked to every gay athlete in the NBC phone book and hyped President Obama’s appointing of prominent gays to the U.S. Olympic Delegation. Network hosts also tried to encourage athletes to make pro-gay statements while at the Games, at the risk of disqualifying themselves from competition.

All of which might not arouse comment if NBC were also reporting on the plight of Christians in war-torn Syria. Some of the world’s oldest communities of Christians of varying denominations are facing annihilation. Islamist clerics call for the slaughter of all Christians “for being infidels.” Al Qaeda-aligned rebels have kidnapped and killed nuns, priests and bishops. Islamist factions have destroyed Christian homes and churches, shelled Christian schools and took displaced entire neighborhood and village populations. The civil war has displaced millions of Syrians, but it has driven tens of thousands of Christians away in fear, and Pope Francis has spoken on the “exodus of Christians” from the country. Catholic and other Christian news organizations and international NGOs are trying to call attention to what The National Interest called “ethnic cleansing.”

But the Peacock Network mentioned the deadly persecution of Syrian Christians only twice and indirectly, compared with the 26 mentions of gays and the Olympics.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-philbin/2014/02/06/nbc-s-olympic-sized-bias-13x-more-coverage-russian-anti-gay-law-att#ixzz2sfIixkd1



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Will NBC's Financial Interests Bias Its Coverage Of Russia's Anti-Gay Olympic Controversy?

NBC Universal has pledged to report on the impact of Russia's draconian new anti-gay laws during its exclusive coverage of the 2014 Winter Olympics, but its financial stake in maintaining a positive relationship with the International Olympics Commission (IOC) raises questions about the network's ability to be objective in its reporting.

NBC has faced increasing pressure to report on Russia's harsh anti-gay laws - including a measure that bans vaguely defined pro-gay "propaganda" - during its coverage of the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi this February.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/08/16/will-nbcs-financial-interests-bias-its-coverage/195431
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guavashake



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-hypocrisy-over-russias-anti-gay-laws/2014/01/31/3df0baf0-8548-11e3-9dd4-e7278db80d86_story.html

The U.S. hypocrisy over Russia’s anti-gay laws

By Ian Ayres and William Eskridge, Published: February 1
Ian Ayres and William Eskridge are law professors at Yale University.

Controversy over a Russian law that prohibits advocacy of homosexuality threatens to overshadow athletic competition at the upcoming Sochi Olympics. Thoughtful world leaders, including President Obama, have criticized Russia for stigmatizing gay identity.

Many of these critics find it hard to believe that in 2014 a modern industrial government would have this kind of medieval language in its statutory code:

●“Materials adopted by a local school board . . . shall . . . comply with state law and state board rules . . . prohibiting instruction . . . in the advocacy of homosexuality.”

●“Propaganda of homosexualism among minors is punishable by an administrative fine.”

●“No district shall include in its course of study instruction which: 1. Promotes a homosexual life-style. 2. Portrays homosexuality as a positive alternative life-style. 3. Suggests that some methods of sex are safe methods of homosexual sex.”

●“[I]nstruction relating to sexual education or sexually transmitted diseases should include . . . emphasis, provided in a factual manner and from a public health perspective, that homosexuality is not a lifestyle acceptable to the general public and that homosexual conduct is a criminal offense.”

Amid the rush to condemn Russia’s legislation, however, it is useful to recognize that only the second quoted provision comes from the Russian statute.

The other three come from statutes in the United States. It is Utah that prohibits “the advocacy of homosexuality.” Arizona prohibits portrayals of homosexuality as a “positive alternative life-style” and has legislatively determined that it is inappropriate to even suggest to children that there are “safe methods of homosexual sex.” Alabama and Texas mandate that sex-education classes emphasize that homosexuality is “not a lifestyle acceptable to the general public.” Moreover, the Alabama and Texas statutes mandate that children be taught that “homosexual conduct is a criminal offense” even though criminalizing private, consensual homosexual conduct has been unconstitutional since 2003.

Eight U.S. states, and several cities and counties, have some version of what we call “no promo homo” provisions. Before the United States condemns the Russian statute’s infringement of free speech and academic freedom, it should recognize that our own republican forms of government have repeatedly given rise to analogous restrictions.

It is no coincidence that these examples focus on what must and must not be said to children. An explanatory note accompanying the 2013 Russian legislation makes clear that the statute seeks to protect children “from the factors that negatively affect their physical, intellectual, mental, spiritual, and moral development.” Proponents of the U.S. statutes have offered similar justification. And, like Russian President Vladimir Putin this month, the U.S. laws warn gay people and sympathizers to “leave kids alone, please.”

The underlying ideology of these statutes is the same: Everybody should be heterosexual, and homosexuality is per se bad. This ideology has never rested on any kind of evidence that homosexuality is a bad “choice” that the state ought to discourage. The ideology is a prejudice-laden legacy of a fading era. (In fact, the strategy is daffy: Even if homosexuality were a bad lifestyle choice, state laws are not an effective way to head off such a choice.)

Putin has assured the International Olympic Committee that the law is merely symbolic. But in the United States, officially sanctioned anti-gay prejudice has contributed to classroom bullying and to the high level of suicides among gay teens.

The actor and playwright Harvey Fierstein has called on the United States to boycott the Sochi Games because Russia prohibits “propaganda of homosexuality.” But recall that in 2002 the United States proudly, and without comment, sent its Olympic athletes to a state — Utah — that prohibits the “advocacy of homosexuality.” Maybe Obama ought to send Olympic delegates Billie Jean King and Brian Boitano to Alabama and Texas.

We offer that suggestion somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but there is an important lesson here. Sometimes the moral failings of others can help us see moral failings in ourselves. It was revulsion toward Nazi Germany’s eugenics policy that, in part, caused U.S. legislatures and courts to renounce state sterilization programs. Opposition to South African apartheid and the Soviet Union’s totalitarian regime generated greater national pressure for the Eisenhower administration and the Warren court to renounce apartheid in the American South.

Putin’s inability to justify this law puts a spotlight on the inability of Utah, Texas, Arizona and other states to justify their gay-stigmatizing statutes. They should be repealed or challenged in court. Just as judges led the way against compulsory sterilization and racial-segregation laws, so they should subject anti-gay laws to critical scrutiny.

As things stand, one could imagine Putin responding to U.S. criticism by saying: “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye.”
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Leon



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laws don't work the same way in the US as they do in Russia, is the point. Rule of law isn't great in the US, but there are institutional protections. Rule of law in Russia is arbitrary. If anything it isn't the text of the law people are upset over, it's the context, with anti homosexual thugs not having to worry about the police but dissidents and opponents of Putin getting locked up on vague charges.
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guavashake



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:

2) Your info is from infowars, so unless you kind find it somewhere else it is not believable.


I have empathy for those who believe mainstream and government and corporate sponsored media.

Believe what you wish to believe. Tinfoil is the new black.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guavashake wrote:
Leon wrote:

2) Your info is from infowars, so unless you kind find it somewhere else it is not believable.


I have empathy for those who believe mainstream and government and corporate sponsored media.

Believe what you wish to believe. Tinfoil is the new black.


Your link had at least 1 obviously untrue thing in it, non mainstream or not, it's just dumb.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:59 am    Post subject: ! Reply with quote

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opponents of Putin getting locked up on vague charges


care to elaborate?

Putin has once again humiliated the degenerate meddlesome American government with the leaked phone call between Robert Kagan's wife and the ambassador. Putin makes American government look like the autistic violent gorilla it is. That's why American media is pissed off.

For reference:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IXXpzPVVLKY/UiRjKoOknQI/AAAAAAAAAdo/k_MogA4ZIJ0/s1600/medias.png

To sum, Putin diminished the power of the international plutocracy in Russia by targeting the oligarchs and their program of nation wrecking. And that is it. That's why it is all gay all the time re: Russia. And it isn't working. I mean what are limp wrist liberal warriors who read the Huffingon Post or Salon going to do?
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Leon



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was waiting for you to show up. Hooliganism is a vague charge. A corrupt state charging others with corruption after they lose patronage, etc. etc. We both know the details already so why go into it.

Not everyone he targeted was innocent, and a true liberal democracy in Russia was at best a very unlikely prospect. The only focusing on the gay rights thing is annoying as well, if anything why not talk about how many journalists have been killed in Russia, or any other topic, for a change would be better.


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