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Lucas
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| they are committed to social/political activism despite the danger ... |
They're committed to anarchy and drawing attention to themselves....
What would you think if they took over one of your temples to perform some gratuitously obscene act? They seem to lack sensitivity or respect for others, to some degree.
Thankfully not all countries on earth have been forced to adopt western 'morality', nor should they be. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Yes the Western morality of not whipping people in the street. |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Yes the Western morality of not whipping people in the street. |
I never said that whipping them was ok, strawman.
I said that the type of trendy pc western morality they represent should not be foisted upon everyone. The current western idea that freedom means you get to offend the majority of people by forcing on them obscene public displays that debase human dignity - for trendy shock effect- is juvenile.
If they were working hard to raise funds for cancer research or the underprivileged then I might have more sympathy. But they appear to be little more than attention w***s. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| Protesting against Putin and the Orthodox Church's collaboration and corruption is trendy pc western morality, that's what debases human dignity?Corruption affects living standards just as much as cancer, maybe more so, so why is donating money for cancer or the underprivileged normatively more valid? |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:35 am Post subject: |
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If it wasn't completely staged it was one of the best things I've seen in a long time.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/08/who-or-what-is-russias-*beep*-riot.html
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Also telling, is that Oksana Chelysheva - board member of the Finnish-Russian Civic Forum and a steering committee member of the NED, convicted criminal George Soros Open Society-funded FIDH, Open Society, Ford Foundation, Sigrid Rausing Trust-funded Front Line Defenders, and US State Department-run Amnesty International-affiliated EU-Russia Civil Society Forum - is heading "*beep* Riot's" support campaign.
Chelysheva was also "Deputy Executive Director" of the Russian-Chechen Friendship Society, fully funded by the US State Department via the National Endowment for Democracy. The "Friendship Society" was essentially a public relations front of Al Qaeda-aligned Chechen terrorists ravaging Russia's Caucasus region - a plot offered new relevance as the US, NATO, and Gulf States openly support similar groups of terrorists now ravaging Syria. The "Friendship Society" served a similar function to the now discredited "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights." |
The most effective way to deal with these agents of American foreign policy is to do what the Russians have done: 1) expose them as tools of American/Usury foreign policy and 2) beat them in the streets.
Let them defect to Manhattan. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Yes the Western morality of not whipping people in the street. |
I'm with Leon on this one.
*beep* Riot looks brave, immediately returning to Russia and protesting. The Russian police look brutal. A great power would just ignore *beep* Riot's antics. |
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stilicho25
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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This isn't really the police. These were Cossack paramilitaries. It kind of shows the limit of their usefulness. Great at providing cheap security around Sochi, not great at professional policing. Although how this is better than the frequent beatings American cops hand out to people recording them eludes me.
Titus is right by the way. Although this particular action has my sympathy due to the really terrible treatment some people receive in today's Russia, the recent leaked phone calls of American gov officials in Ukraine tell me that a whole lot of the violence occurring their is because of our efforts to destabilize Russia. They have every right to defend themselves. Obviously whipping punk rockers in the street is not a very good way to do it. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Although how this is better than the frequent beatings American cops hand out to people recording them eludes me. |
I liked the point distinguishing Cossacks, but this sentence is a total strawman. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm also on board with Leon's principle of no whipping people in the streets. That seems like it would be a pretty fundamental aspect of society in which I'd even remotely wish to live. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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P.Riot is a carefully created agent of nation wrecking. If someone is trying to wreck your nation you at the very least owe them a public slap.
Anyway the girls were not hurt. They got their photo op for Western audiences. |
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Titus
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| A great power would just ignore *beep* Riot's antics. |
There is no such thing as a great power. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
P.Riot is a carefully created agent of nation wrecking. If someone is trying to wreck your nation you at the very least owe them a public slap.
Anyway the girls were not hurt. They got their photo op for Western audiences. |
Blatantly disregarding the rule of law is a great way to wreck a nation, but I don't see you advocating giving Putin a slap. |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros, yeah it was a stretch, but like the apologists on the main board, I want to point out that while whipping people is barbaric, we do not have the moral leeway to use violence to enforce our ideas of morality on others. Although that wasn't a position anyone here took, I do feel like that certain segments of the American gov like to use "human rights!" as a pretext to bash other countries. |
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