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aq8knyus
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| Although just out of curiosity, what drives the Russia love these days? |
Perhaps it's a natural reaction to the utter hypocrisy and insanity (Google '7 countries in 5 years') of American foreign policy. Putin is a barrier to American-inspired 'regime change,' which is why the Western mainstream media is full of hysterical anti-Putin propaganda. We can at least be grateful to them that they put a stop to arming bearded nutcases in Syria. |
So to oppose one 'imperialist' you support another imperialist?
Putin is a scumbag and his Russia is being smothered by his autocratic rule. Don't you think that supporting Russia undermines any nobility about your opposition to US exesses?
The Russians are currently causing instability and war in a neighbouring country in Europe. It doesn't take a master propogandist to make that look bad. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Putin is not a degenerate. He's not some prog traitor that sells out his civilization for bullshit. |
Just curious, what is your take on the whole food ban thing? |
Not really a big deal, on balance. South America will pick up much of the slack, and the rest will be met by domestic production. I assume the intention is protectionism. Like the Iran oil for goods deal, the Russians are working to diversify the economy away from energy and generally raise the productive capacity of the nation.
This is much more interesting: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-01/russia-said-to-plan-sovereign-fund-move-over-sanctions.html |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Yeah nothing adds colour to a society like rampant state condoned bigotry. |
Given that thousands of native girls have become sex slaves to foreign invaders the above quote has move past naive ideology and solidly into the realm of treachery.
Putin is not engaging in industrial-scale mass rape and sexual torture of British girls. Putin did not cover for it and facilitate it. The enemy of the British people is quite a bit closer to home. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
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| Although just out of curiosity, what drives the Russia love these days? |
Perhaps it's a natural reaction to the utter hypocrisy and insanity (Google '7 countries in 5 years') of American foreign policy. Putin is a barrier to American-inspired 'regime change,' which is why the Western mainstream media is full of hysterical anti-Putin propaganda. We can at least be grateful to them that they put a stop to arming bearded nutcases in Syria. |
Something like that. The transparent western hypocrisy and media propaganda.
The west is supposed to stand for certain things. But in reality their politicians are power-mad imperialists who abandon values the moment it is advantageous to do so. |
Feels more like ineptness than lust for power. If the West is full of power-mad imperialists then they are doing a very bad job of empire building. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
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Yeah nothing adds colour to a society like rampant state condoned bigotry. |
Given that thousands of native girls have become sex slaves to foreign invaders the above quote has move past naive ideology and solidly into the realm of treachery.
Putin is not engaging in industrial-scale mass rape and sexual torture of British girls. Putin did not cover for it and facilitate it. The enemy of the British people is quite a bit closer to home. |
Why don't you stop being so coy and say what you actually mean.
You always talk about 'groups', 'the enemy' or 'foreign invaders'. Stop pirouetting around and use plain English.
When you say 'groups' are lesser, who do you mean?
When you say 'foreign invaders', who are you talking about?
When you say 'the enemy of the British people', to whom do you refer? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
| Titus wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
Yeah nothing adds colour to a society like rampant state condoned bigotry. |
Given that thousands of native girls have become sex slaves to foreign invaders the above quote has move past naive ideology and solidly into the realm of treachery.
Putin is not engaging in industrial-scale mass rape and sexual torture of British girls. Putin did not cover for it and facilitate it. The enemy of the British people is quite a bit closer to home. |
Why don't you stop being so coy and say what you actually mean.
You always talk about 'groups', 'the enemy' or 'foreign invaders'. Stop pirouetting around and use plain English.
When you say 'groups' are lesser, who do you mean?
When you say 'foreign invaders', who are you talking about?
When you say 'the enemy of the British people', to whom do you refer? |
Titus is many things, and he's not coy.
He means blacks and browns are lesser. He'll refer you to testosterone levels and IQ scores.
Titus plays it very very loose. He'll take a broad racial average and subscribe it to each particular individual. Its disgusting, but it won't catch on anytime soon, and he's tied down here rather than taking steps to save the white race, so he's quite harmless in this regard. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
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| Although just out of curiosity, what drives the Russia love these days? |
Perhaps it's a natural reaction to the utter hypocrisy and insanity (Google '7 countries in 5 years') of American foreign policy. Putin is a barrier to American-inspired 'regime change,' which is why the Western mainstream media is full of hysterical anti-Putin propaganda. We can at least be grateful to them that they put a stop to arming bearded nutcases in Syria. |
So to oppose one 'imperialist' you support another imperialist?
Putin is a scumbag and his Russia is being smothered by his autocratic rule. Don't you think that supporting Russia undermines any nobility about your opposition to US exesses?
The Russians are currently causing instability and war in a neighbouring country in Europe. It doesn't take a master propogandist to make that look bad. |
The Russians aren't imperialists, they just have perfectly reasonable security concerns about Nato being pushed up to their borders and the US formenting phony colour revolutions (see Georgia and Ukraine). The Russian moves have been completely predictable and were a reaction to Western meddling in a neighboring country, where Russia has important military, cultural, and historical links. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| Titus wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
Yeah nothing adds colour to a society like rampant state condoned bigotry. |
Given that thousands of native girls have become sex slaves to foreign invaders the above quote has move past naive ideology and solidly into the realm of treachery.
Putin is not engaging in industrial-scale mass rape and sexual torture of British girls. Putin did not cover for it and facilitate it. The enemy of the British people is quite a bit closer to home. |
Why don't you stop being so coy and say what you actually mean.
You always talk about 'groups', 'the enemy' or 'foreign invaders'. Stop pirouetting around and use plain English.
When you say 'groups' are lesser, who do you mean?
When you say 'foreign invaders', who are you talking about?
When you say 'the enemy of the British people', to whom do you refer? |
Titus is many things, and he's not coy.
He means blacks and browns are lesser. He'll refer you to testosterone levels and IQ scores.
Titus plays it very very loose. He'll take a broad racial average and subscribe it to each particular individual. Its disgusting, but it won't catch on anytime soon, and he's tied down here rather than taking steps to save the white race, so he's quite harmless in this regard. |
Basically ^, though the trend in Europe is towards my line of thinking. I also understand average, given my super-duper advanced understanding of statistics, and use averages to understand population samples, allowing for stdev and outliers. You're referring to my assertion that Somalians are - on average- as intelligent as whites with downs. It is true, allowing for stdev and outliers. T matters, though only (likely) if associated with a group that has very low impulse control (aka keepin it real) and near future time orientation.
Human groups are different. The English created England. Somalians created Somalia. If you move all the English to Somalia it will quickly look like England (see Canada, NZ, Aus, etc) and if you move all the Somalians to England, well, a shit-ton of white girls are going to be raped.
To the extent this has to do with Russia and this thread is solely limited to the Prog assertion that Putin is this and that, an enemy of Heaven, etc, and that Progress demands another big war in Europe. I assert that the threat to European civilization is much closer to home, nicely exemplified by this: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/01/Home-Office-Sent-Worker-To-Diversity-Course-For-Calling-Rotherham-Rapists-Asian |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
| The world is dominated by the West by and large through its control of the global economic system. They have all the power. |
Thats what they want, but they're not quite there yet. Its hard to imagine anything more creepy than a globe controlled by a few bankers in davos.
Obviously they don't have all the power because Russia and China have still not been inducted into their game. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
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| Although just out of curiosity, what drives the Russia love these days? |
Perhaps it's a natural reaction to the utter hypocrisy and insanity (Google '7 countries in 5 years') of American foreign policy. Putin is a barrier to American-inspired 'regime change,' which is why the Western mainstream media is full of hysterical anti-Putin propaganda. We can at least be grateful to them that they put a stop to arming bearded nutcases in Syria. |
So to oppose one 'imperialist' you support another imperialist?
Putin is a scumbag and his Russia is being smothered by his autocratic rule. Don't you think that supporting Russia undermines any nobility about your opposition to US exesses?
The Russians are currently causing instability and war in a neighbouring country in Europe. It doesn't take a master propogandist to make that look bad. |
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| The Russians aren't imperialists, they just have perfectly reasonable security concerns about Nato being pushed up to their borders and the US formenting phony colour revolutions (see Georgia and Ukraine). The Russian moves have been completely predictable and were a reaction to Western meddling in a neighboring country, where Russia has important military, cultural, and historical links. |
So Russia has the right to invade and support proxies in any neighbouring country where it has interests???
How is that not imperialism?
If that were the case then all countries bordering Russia would cease to be independent sovereign nations and would revert to simply becoming protectorates.
What happens in Ukraine is up to the people there, it is not for the Russians to tell them what government they are allowed to have or who to move closer to economically and diplomatically. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| The world is dominated by the West by and large through its control of the global economic system. They have all the power. |
Thats what they want, but they're not quite there yet. Its hard to imagine anything more creepy than a globe controlled by a few bankers in davos.
Obviously they don't have all the power because Russia and China have still not been inducted into their game. |
They certainly are there already and have been for quite some time.
The Euro-Atlantic consensus dominates the world economically and militarily.
In the future that might change, but even then I don't see it happening.
That is why the West is fundamentally about stability, so they can maintain their dominance. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| What happens in Ukraine is up to the people there, it is not for the Russians to tell them what government they are allowed to have or who to move closer to economically and diplomatically. |
No, it's up to the West to do that, in the form of handsomely funded NGOs and other 'civil society' organizations to forment revolution and overthrow democratically elected governments (sorry 'regimes').
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| That is why the West is fundamentally about stability |
Nothing quite says stability like violent revolutions (Ukraine) and failed states (Iraq, Libya, Syria). |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
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| What happens in Ukraine is up to the people there, it is not for the Russians to tell them what government they are allowed to have or who to move closer to economically and diplomatically. |
No, it's up to the West to do that, in the form of handsomely funded NGOs and other 'civil society' organizations to forment revolution and overthrow democratically elected governments (sorry 'regimes').
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| That is why the West is fundamentally about stability |
Nothing quite says stability like violent revolutions (Ukraine) and failed states (Iraq, Libya, Syria). |
The loathing for Russia and their puppet Yanukovych in large swathes of Ukraine was not created by NGOs and civil society groups. You are swallowing Kremlin propoganda a little too readily, next you will be telling me that Ukraine is run by nazis.
As for stability,
1. The Russians have intervened in the war in Syria and so deserve as much as the blame as anyone else.
2. In Libya our countries tried to help an uprising against a brutal dictator, aren't we awful. Although it would have been better to keep Gadaffi as he had been playing nice since 2003, but the heart rules the head for some Western leaders. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:46 am Post subject: |
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So Russia has the right to invade and support proxies in any neighbouring country where it has interests???
How is that not imperialism? |
Given you seemed to be largely okay in the US and UK engaging in an unprovoked war of aggression in the Middle East in Iraq, I don't see why you're pretending to care about principle here. Here's a nice quote: "Also your question doesn't exist in reality though does it? No country has ever or will ever act in one way, either putting economic concerns before everything else or ethical considerations. It will always be a balance so I obviously fall into the category of setting an acceptable number [of civilian casualties]." So does Russia have the right to invade and support proxies in neighboring countries where it has interests? The aq8knyus of 2011 says, "Yes, so long as casualties do not exceed an acceptable number." |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| Titus wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
Yeah nothing adds colour to a society like rampant state condoned bigotry. |
Given that thousands of native girls have become sex slaves to foreign invaders the above quote has move past naive ideology and solidly into the realm of treachery.
Putin is not engaging in industrial-scale mass rape and sexual torture of British girls. Putin did not cover for it and facilitate it. The enemy of the British people is quite a bit closer to home. |
Why don't you stop being so coy and say what you actually mean.
You always talk about 'groups', 'the enemy' or 'foreign invaders'. Stop pirouetting around and use plain English.
When you say 'groups' are lesser, who do you mean?
When you say 'foreign invaders', who are you talking about?
When you say 'the enemy of the British people', to whom do you refer? |
Titus is many things, and he's not coy.
He means blacks and browns are lesser. He'll refer you to testosterone levels and IQ scores.
Titus plays it very very loose. He'll take a broad racial average and subscribe it to each particular individual. Its disgusting, but it won't catch on anytime soon, and he's tied down here rather than taking steps to save the white race, so he's quite harmless in this regard. |
Basically ^, though the trend in Europe is towards my line of thinking. I also understand average, given my super-duper advanced understanding of statistics, and use averages to understand population samples, allowing for stdev and outliers. You're referring to my assertion that Somalians are - on average- as intelligent as whites with downs. It is true, allowing for stdev and outliers. T matters, though only (likely) if associated with a group that has very low impulse control (aka keepin it real) and near future time orientation.
Human groups are different. The English created England. Somalians created Somalia. If you move all the English to Somalia it will quickly look like England (see Canada, NZ, Aus, etc) and if you move all the Somalians to England, well, a shit-ton of white girls are going to be raped.
To the extent this has to do with Russia and this thread is solely limited to the Prog assertion that Putin is this and that, an enemy of Heaven, etc, and that Progress demands another big war in Europe. I assert that the threat to European civilization is much closer to home, nicely exemplified by this: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/01/Home-Office-Sent-Worker-To-Diversity-Course-For-Calling-Rotherham-Rapists-Asian |
Human groups? Again with the coy language.
Also Somalians did not create Somalia, Europeans created Somalia.
That legacy of colonialism has irrevocably damaged their society. It happens to 'White people' as well as you can see in the Balkans after centuries of Ottoman oppression. |
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