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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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 Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:18 am Post subject: |
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I was wrong, you don't get it.
Packing for for beach now, see ya guys! |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
I was wrong, you don't get it.
Packing for for beach now, see ya guys! |
Get what?
You think logic, evidence based premises and debate are "crap".
You then proceeded to engage in debate about not debating and writing 20+ posts in quick succession arguing the point whilst claiming that you weren't making an argument.
At least that was better than your rather unsightly cultural chauvinism.
Have fun at the beach. Try not to take it to heart, it is only an online debate afterall. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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Titus
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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I'm pretty sure people here have never been to the Ukraine, have no clue what is happening there, nor why it is happening, and are making up a bunch of theories from "information" they received on the internet.
I have no clue either, but I know that. |
I know people who are Ukranian and Russian. Crimea is mostly very pro-Russian. The east is as well, but more mixed. I have also meet the president of Estonia and Georgia, as well as several Georgian officials who see Russia as an expansionist power, and both who have suffered from Russian aggression. Hope that is enough 'info' to have an opinion.
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I guess Georgia shouldn't have poked the Bear. This is like me picking a fight with Mike Tyson and then after getting my ass kicked everybody says Mike is a jerk for fighting me.
Though I can't say I am particularly surprised that these officials are in the US crying fear. They know where their bread is buttered. If they say "all is good" they won't get any NATO $$. If they openly oppose NATO and aspire to positive relations with their gigantic neighbor then they'll find themselves the focus of an international media campaign and quickly removed from power without the 'visiting lecturer' position at Pepperoni U in the States to fall back on. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
I'm pretty sure people here have never been to the Ukraine, have no clue what is happening there, nor why it is happening, and are making up a bunch of theories from "information" they received on the internet.
I have no clue either, but I know that. |
I know people who are Ukranian and Russian. Crimea is mostly very pro-Russian. The east is as well, but more mixed. I have also meet the president of Estonia and Georgia, as well as several Georgian officials who see Russia as an expansionist power, and both who have suffered from Russian aggression. Hope that is enough 'info' to have an opinion.
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I guess Georgia shouldn't have poked the Bear. This is like me picking a fight with Mike Tyson and then after getting my ass kicked everybody says Mike is a jerk for fighting me.
Though I can't say I am particularly surprised that these officials are in the US crying fear. They know where their bread is buttered. If they say "all is good" they won't get any NATO $$. If they openly oppose NATO and aspire to positive relations with their gigantic neighbor then they'll find themselves the focus of an international media campaign and quickly removed from power without the 'visiting lecturer' position at Pepperoni U in the States to fall back on. |
The Georgian President does seem to be less than clean, and of course Ukraine has it's own issues. The cyberattack against Estonia strikes me as ridiculous, and Estonia/baltics seems more developed/European than Russia and makes sense for them to be more aligned with the west. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| The metric you use for if a nation is better off orientated towards the west is if it is "developed"? Where do Mississippi, Detroit and El Paso belong? |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| The metric you use for if a nation is better off orientated towards the west is if it is "developed"? Where do Mississippi, Detroit and El Paso belong? |
Culturally, Estonia and the Baltics are different than Russia and Eastern Europe as well. Cities and states are not sovereign, so for better or for worse those places belong in America, regardless of how much of a drag they can be. |
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Titus
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| When I visit the nations that were protected from cultural marxism by economic marxism, I stand in the town square and look at the pre-marxist buildings and think 'this place needs more fast food, rap and lady gaga'. The revolution must go on. I recently visited Poland and was happy to see that the ladies were twerking to american rap music and acting like degenerate idiots so I guess your team is currently winning. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| When I visit the nations that were protected from cultural marxism by economic marxism, I stand in the town square and look at the pre-marxist buildings and think 'this place needs more fast food, rap and lady gaga'. The revolution must go on. I recently visited Poland and was happy to see that the ladies were twerking to american rap music and acting like degenerate idiots so I guess your team is currently winning. |
Please, don't be so absurd. What country doesn't have a large share of degenerate idiots? Certainly not Russia, which has higher rates of drug abuse and alcohol abuse than the West, and which is held captive to organized crime at a far higher rate than the West. I'm sure that those women were terribly offensive to you though. |
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Titus
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| Russia was culturally and economically destroyed, with tens of millions killed, and then economically ruined and looted, with living standards destroyed, both by non-Russians, twice in the last 100years. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| Russia was culturally and economically destroyed, with tens of millions killed, and then economically ruined and looted, with living standards destroyed, both by non-Russians, twice in the last 100years. |
I assume that one of those times, you are referring to the Communists? If so, you can't fully make the case that they were non-Russian. Leaving that aside, yes what you say is true, and partially due to that, is it no surprise that Russia would lack an attractive power for other states beyond power, nationalism, and natural resources? |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
| Have fun at the beach. Try not to take it to heart, it is only an online debate afterall. |
For you it is a debate, for me it is not. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| Have fun at the beach. Try not to take it to heart, it is only an online debate afterall. |
For you it is a debate, for me it is not. |
Care to share an observation about the impending EU accession deal to be signed between Ukraine and the EU? |
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KimchiNinja
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
| Care to share an observation about the impending EU accession deal to be signed between Ukraine and the EU? |
I don't have any thoughts about that. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:03 am Post subject: |
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The Hipster on Whom Washington Bet to Beat Putin
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http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-man-washington-bet-on-to-beat-putin
Mikheil Saakashvili lives in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.
Here's a photo:
http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/09/20/world/20EXILE/20EXILE-articleLarge.jpg
America picks hipster douchebags to try and topple Putin?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/world/europe/mikheil-saakashvili-georgias-ex-president-plots-return-from-williamsburg-brooklyn.html
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“I used to look at this place from Manhattan, it was such a pity, it was mafia, a place where hit men dump bodies,” he said, recalling his time in the 1990s as a Columbia University Law School student. Now he sees “a jazzy atmosphere” rife with energy and new construction.
“Williamsburg is part of the democratic transformation,” he said.
Mr. Saakashvili tends to see a lot of things through the lens of democracy building. He calls the fashionable Cafe Mogador “my absolute favorite cafe, because it’s very democratic.” And while he complains about Williamsburg’s high cost of living (“I’m not poor poor, but it really bites”), the champion of free enterprise admires the social mobility of his new neighbors.
“They are hipsters,” he said. “But they are still making tons of money, and they live a pleasant lifestyle and make it in life. They are no longer a marginal part of society.” …
On a more recent weekend, the man the Secret Service once dubbed “the Energizer Bunny” charged out of the food fair and into the Artists & Fleas market, where he pulled Prada sunglasses from his graying sideburns and went straight to a booth selling clocks made from retro hardcover books. “I bought 50 of them and sent them back to my presidential library,” he said. …
The former president usually takes the L train into Manhattan, where he frequents Oda House in the East Village (the owner likes him, the waiter does not) and Pepela, where he orders a 2004 vintage of the dry red Georgian wine Orovela Saperavi and he recently lunched with Bill Clinton.
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Mr. Saakashvili said that while he had a “normal life” in Brooklyn, he considered himself a big deal in Eastern Europe, pointing out that on a recent trip to Albania “they shut down traffic for us and our 20-car escort.” …
For now Mr. Saakashvili is writing a memoir, delivering “very well-paid” speeches, helping start up a Washington-based think tank and visiting old boosters like Senator John McCain and Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary of state. He said he was in the process of changing his tourist status here to a work visa and in the meantime is enjoying the bars and cafes of his adopted homeland. On his roof deck, with sweeping views of Manhattan, he has entertained David H. Petraeus, the former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and is expecting Nicolas Sarkozy, the former French president, at the end of the month. …
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Etc. He has to live in the USA b/c his home country took all his stuff b/c he's corrupt. It is perfectly appropriate that he live in Brooklyn.
Apparently he's plotting a return to his home. It might take a few decades but some day soon he'll leave the neo-con lecture circuit and face the music (and VVP) at home. |
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