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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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[quote=]I blame Korean culture. [/quote]
Can we please not do this quite yet. As I always point out- When a disaster, possibly involving negligence or a heinous crime, happens back home we don't blame our own culture. We blame the individual or people involved.
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| The kids will have been all over the boat, no meeting point arranged for an emergency. At least one teacher will have opened their first bottle of soju. |
Yes, I'm sure when you get on the ferry your first thought would be to get all your friends to arrange meeting points and go over evacuation procedures, and surely none of you would drink. 
Still, the captain is a crapper. |
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cabeza
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| Looking at the numbers, of the 179 people who were rescued, 104 of them were adults. Of the 287 missing, 245 are kids. For whatever reason a disproportionate number of adults managed to escape. Maybe the kids were on the lower decks. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| I think most of the passengers were students. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| My heart goes out to the victims and the families. This was a tragic accident. If the captain didn't go down with the ship, the parents should rent another boat, take him back out and sink him properly. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| I think most of the passengers were students. |
Yes 325 out of 475 were students. Which is why I'm saying of the remaing 150 adult paaengers 104 (70%) of those adults survived. |
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rainman3277
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:13 am Post subject: |
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5)If the captain really did abandon ship without giving the order to abandon ship, he should be brought before a court. Negligence shouldn't warrant a hanging, and I do believe in mercy and forgiveness, but... |
Law or not, if I am captaining a boat, I leave last. In your opinion, "abandon ship! (every person for themselves)" is just fine. Unbelievable that you are trying to rationalize the captains actions. Hundreds are misssing. Do you have no sense of honor or duty or self sacrifice? |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
5)If the captain really did abandon ship without giving the order to abandon ship, he should be brought before a court. Negligence shouldn't warrant a hanging, and I do believe in mercy and forgiveness, but... |
Law or not, if I am captaining a boat, I leave last. In your opinion, "abandon ship! (every person for themselves)" is just fine. Unbelievable that you are trying to rationalize the captains actions. Hundreds are misssing. Do you have no sense of honor or duty or self sacrifice? |
Yes, even if just to manage the evacuation. |
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Old Painless
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
| rainman3277 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
5)If the captain really did abandon ship without giving the order to abandon ship, he should be brought before a court. Negligence shouldn't warrant a hanging, and I do believe in mercy and forgiveness, but... |
Law or not, if I am captaining a boat, I leave last. In your opinion, "abandon ship! (every person for themselves)" is just fine. Unbelievable that you are trying to rationalize the captains actions. Hundreds are misssing. Do you have no sense of honor or duty or self sacrifice? |
Yes, even if just to manage the evacuation. |
At least he apologized. While hiding his face.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/17/world/asia/south-korea-ship-sinking/index.html?hpt=ias_c1 |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Can we please not do this quite yet. As I always point out- When a disaster, possibly involving negligence or a heinous crime, happens back home we don't blame our own culture. We blame the individual or people involved.
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Yes, because as any Korean will tell you Western culture is based on the individual, whereas Korean culture is based on the collective, so this is a case of Korean culture at its finest - old Korean men come first, before anyone else. Apparently the only crew member helping kids escape was a female, you know, while the mighty Korean male was jumping ship to save his own ass. Disgusting. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:28 am Post subject: |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/04/116_155604.html
It looks like out of the 30 crew members, 29 safely made it to shore. Many of them, including the captain, were the first to abandon ship. We shouldn't forget this young lady who stayed to help the passengers, giving her own life in the process. The fact that she was a 22 year old woman responsible only for on board announcements only highlights the cowardice of the others, though. She is a hero, and deserves everyone's regard. Small solace for her family, I'm sure. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| metalhead wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Can we please not do this quite yet. As I always point out- When a disaster, possibly involving negligence or a heinous crime, happens back home we don't blame our own culture. We blame the individual or people involved.
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Yes, because as any Korean will tell you Western culture is based on the individual, whereas Korean culture is based on the collective, so this is a case of Korean culture at its finest - old Korean men come first, before anyone else. Apparently the only crew member helping kids escape was a female, you know, while the mighty Korean male was jumping ship to save his own ass. Disgusting. |
Sure thing Tim McVeigh. Keep it up. Lets see where it goes. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| metalhead wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Can we please not do this quite yet. As I always point out- When a disaster, possibly involving negligence or a heinous crime, happens back home we don't blame our own culture. We blame the individual or people involved.
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Yes, because as any Korean will tell you Western culture is based on the individual, whereas Korean culture is based on the collective, so this is a case of Korean culture at its finest - old Korean men come first, before anyone else. Apparently the only crew member helping kids escape was a female, you know, while the mighty Korean male was jumping ship to save his own ass. Disgusting. |
My FOB Korean friends in the States actually expressed the same opinion (preempting Steelrails calling you a racist).
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/04/116_155604.html
It looks like out of the 30 crew members, 29 safely made it to shore. Many of them, including the captain, were the first to abandon ship. We shouldn't forget this young lady who stayed to help the passengers, giving her own life in the process. The fact that she was a 22 year old woman responsible only for on board announcements only highlights the cowardice of the others, though. She is a hero, and deserves everyone's regard. Small solace for her family, I'm sure. |
I hope the captain is executed... |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/04/116_155604.html
It looks like out of the 30 crew members, 29 safely made it to shore. Many of them, including the captain, were the first to abandon ship. We shouldn't forget this young lady who stayed to help the passengers, giving her own life in the process. The fact that she was a 22 year old woman responsible only for on board announcements only highlights the cowardice of the others, though. She is a hero, and deserves everyone's regard. Small solace for her family, I'm sure. |
well said |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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What a brave woman. Here are some others as well who are also heroes.
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/east-asia/story/south-korea-ferry-disaster-some-heroes-who-risked-their-lives-save-others-
Mr Jeong Cha Woong, a 17-year-old student, is also being hailed as a hero. He died after helping his friends escape from the ship. Mr Jeong is known to have died after giving his own life vest to his drowning friend and hurled himself into the waters to rescue others.
Mr Kim Hong Gyeong, a 59-year-old survivor, also risked his life to save other people.
Mr Kim made a 10m-long rope with curtains of the ship and used it to drag up several passengers. Although the water was above his knees, he continued his rescue efforts and saved the lives of some 20 people. He, then, boarded a fishing boat that volunteered in the rescue operations. |
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