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A (rare) fashion faux pas by Korean women.
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jdog2050



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

optik404 wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:
optik404 wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:
In response to the OP: I have a friend with a "theory" that young (20-27ish) Korean women take their dress cues from Gangnam prostitutes and don't even realize it. Hear me out--

If you are a post high school Korean woman, age 19 or so, what location in Korea is going to be the epitome of haute coutore and everything trendy? Gangnam. So, you come up from Busan, you go clubbin' and what do you see? Wow, ultra short skirts, platform shoes, make up to the 9's. So, you go back down to Busan with a new fashion sense and impress all your podunk friends. One problem--the other ladies you saw that night aren't regular people who just happen to dress edgy and sexy. No, they were literally prostitutes.

So, Gangnam creates this positive feedback loop. I've noticed, honestly, that Korean women dress more scantilly every year. In a way...I ain't complainin'. At the same time, it does make me a little sad knowing that what they're actually emulating is, many times, just the way that Gangnam prostitutes dress. It's hooker-chic!


Quite possibly the worst male attempt to theorize on women's fashion I have seen in a while. Totally ignores things like TV/The movies/Music videos/The Internet/Fashion Magazines/Fashion Blogs/Fashion Sites/Fashion youtube videos. Besides just knowing what looks good.

You do realize that those podunk people in Busan have these things called 'TV' and 'The Internet', right?

If there is anyone who sounds podunk, its you with this fashion theory. What, back home did everyone sit around in overalls and Wrangler jeans until someone came home from NEW YORK CITY with their fancy schmancy fashions and styles?


First of all; it's not my theory--I said it in the post.

Second; "What, back home did everyone sit around in overalls and Wrangler jeans until someone came home from NEW YORK CITY with their fancy schmancy fashions and styles?"

Yes, actually. I'm from the midwestern US and Fashion is ABSOLUTELY slow there compared to New York or LA. This is WITH internet, TV, fashion mags, etc.

My friend's theory is obviously just off-the-cuff stuff, but I do think there's something to it. Korean fashion trends don't really follow international trends--a lot of the stuff that hot with HIPSTERS is already 6 months to a year old in other first rate cities. But, we're not talking about hipsters here. We're talking about 19 year old girls who want to look "cute" or "sexy" and their role models are going to be other Korean women. My friend's theory is that a high percentage of the role models in Gangnam are just gonna be prostitutes. Sorry to break it to you but there's a lot of friggin' escorts in Gangnam and if you're naive you're not going to necessarily know that.


19-20yr old women probably get their fashion cues from the internet these days. If all it takes are high heels and a tight dress to look like a escort, then, I guess young women around the world are all taking fashion cues from escorts.


"If all it takes are high heels and a tight dress to look like a escort, then, I guess young women around the world are all taking fashion cues from escorts."

Look dude, it's a "you'll know it when you see it" thing. Furthermore, I'd wager that the actual number of people who take practical fashion cues from the internet (as in, they'll read Vogue online and then replicate that outfit) is quite low. In terms of everyday fashion most people still take their fashion cues from other people.

If you have 100 people, probably 5 of them (trendsetters) are really into haut couture or avant gard fashion. After that, you've got 20 (fashion followers) people who take their cues from those 5 and dress very similar to them. Then there's 50 people (average joes) who like the way that the other 25 dress but it's too OUT THERE for them. So, they won't get into that particular fashion trend until Uniqlo/Gap makes something similiar but slightly less edgy. The rest don't care (parents).

So the reason my friend's theory has some teeth is that Gangnam prostitutes are unconciously trendsetters; younger women who go to Gangnam are fashion followers who think they are dressing after trendsetters, but the trendsetters are hookers. So...let's bring this back to the OPs post.

OP is complaining about ripped pants. Here's the interesting thing--ripped pants are like...not a thing right now. Go on tumblr or reddit...no women are rocking ripped jeans except Korean women. Now, what subset of Korean women were wearing ripped jeans 3 years ago? Hookers, dude. Hookers. Those goofy platform shoes Korean girls are rocking now? 2 years ago? Gangnam hookers.

Doubt it all you want, Gangnam hookers are a major source of fashion trends in Korea.


Sorry dude, but tumblr and reddit are the last places to look for current fashion trends. These days most power fashion bloggers have moved to instagram. Searching the hashtag #rippedjeans brings up over 350,000 pics. But if you really want to search tumblr,

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/ripped-jeans

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/rippedjeans

Lots of women that don't look Korean.

I don't know why you think nobody but Koreans are wearing ripped jeans. The 90's are back in style. The grunge look, the band t-shirts, flannels tied around the waist, oversized t-shirts, all black and white (though this is less 90's and more current styles - I blame virgil abloh and his brand Pyrex vision/Off-white)

Besides, your friend's theory is based on the idea that he thinks certain women in gangnam are hookers. Are there hookers in gangnam? Yes. Is it possible a 20yr old Korean girl saw another Korean girl dressed fashionably and copied her look and she turned out to be a ho? Yes.

Do I think hookers in gangnam are setting new fashion trends in Korea? No, I'm betting it's probably one of the dozens of corny fashion tv shows I see flipping through the channels, the internet, power bloggers, etc.


"Sorry dude, but tumblr and reddit are the last places to look for current fashion trends."

Alright, I'm outta here.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdog2050 wrote:
optik404 wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:
optik404 wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:
In response to the OP: I have a friend with a "theory" that young (20-27ish) Korean women take their dress cues from Gangnam prostitutes and don't even realize it. Hear me out--

If you are a post high school Korean woman, age 19 or so, what location in Korea is going to be the epitome of haute coutore and everything trendy? Gangnam. So, you come up from Busan, you go clubbin' and what do you see? Wow, ultra short skirts, platform shoes, make up to the 9's. So, you go back down to Busan with a new fashion sense and impress all your podunk friends. One problem--the other ladies you saw that night aren't regular people who just happen to dress edgy and sexy. No, they were literally prostitutes.

So, Gangnam creates this positive feedback loop. I've noticed, honestly, that Korean women dress more scantilly every year. In a way...I ain't complainin'. At the same time, it does make me a little sad knowing that what they're actually emulating is, many times, just the way that Gangnam prostitutes dress. It's hooker-chic!


Quite possibly the worst male attempt to theorize on women's fashion I have seen in a while. Totally ignores things like TV/The movies/Music videos/The Internet/Fashion Magazines/Fashion Blogs/Fashion Sites/Fashion youtube videos. Besides just knowing what looks good.

You do realize that those podunk people in Busan have these things called 'TV' and 'The Internet', right?

If there is anyone who sounds podunk, its you with this fashion theory. What, back home did everyone sit around in overalls and Wrangler jeans until someone came home from NEW YORK CITY with their fancy schmancy fashions and styles?


First of all; it's not my theory--I said it in the post.

Second; "What, back home did everyone sit around in overalls and Wrangler jeans until someone came home from NEW YORK CITY with their fancy schmancy fashions and styles?"

Yes, actually. I'm from the midwestern US and Fashion is ABSOLUTELY slow there compared to New York or LA. This is WITH internet, TV, fashion mags, etc.

My friend's theory is obviously just off-the-cuff stuff, but I do think there's something to it. Korean fashion trends don't really follow international trends--a lot of the stuff that hot with HIPSTERS is already 6 months to a year old in other first rate cities. But, we're not talking about hipsters here. We're talking about 19 year old girls who want to look "cute" or "sexy" and their role models are going to be other Korean women. My friend's theory is that a high percentage of the role models in Gangnam are just gonna be prostitutes. Sorry to break it to you but there's a lot of friggin' escorts in Gangnam and if you're naive you're not going to necessarily know that.


19-20yr old women probably get their fashion cues from the internet these days. If all it takes are high heels and a tight dress to look like a escort, then, I guess young women around the world are all taking fashion cues from escorts.


"If all it takes are high heels and a tight dress to look like a escort, then, I guess young women around the world are all taking fashion cues from escorts."

Look dude, it's a "you'll know it when you see it" thing. Furthermore, I'd wager that the actual number of people who take practical fashion cues from the internet (as in, they'll read Vogue online and then replicate that outfit) is quite low. In terms of everyday fashion most people still take their fashion cues from other people.

If you have 100 people, probably 5 of them (trendsetters) are really into haut couture or avant gard fashion. After that, you've got 20 (fashion followers) people who take their cues from those 5 and dress very similar to them. Then there's 50 people (average joes) who like the way that the other 25 dress but it's too OUT THERE for them. So, they won't get into that particular fashion trend until Uniqlo/Gap makes something similiar but slightly less edgy. The rest don't care (parents).

So the reason my friend's theory has some teeth is that Gangnam prostitutes are unconciously trendsetters; younger women who go to Gangnam are fashion followers who think they are dressing after trendsetters, but the trendsetters are hookers. So...let's bring this back to the OPs post.

OP is complaining about ripped pants. Here's the interesting thing--ripped pants are like...not a thing right now. Go on tumblr or reddit...no women are rocking ripped jeans except Korean women. Now, what subset of Korean women were wearing ripped jeans 3 years ago? Hookers, dude. Hookers. Those goofy platform shoes Korean girls are rocking now? 2 years ago? Gangnam hookers.

Doubt it all you want, Gangnam hookers are a major source of fashion trends in Korea.


Sorry dude, but tumblr and reddit are the last places to look for current fashion trends. These days most power fashion bloggers have moved to instagram. Searching the hashtag #rippedjeans brings up over 350,000 pics. But if you really want to search tumblr,

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/ripped-jeans

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/rippedjeans

Lots of women that don't look Korean.

I don't know why you think nobody but Koreans are wearing ripped jeans. The 90's are back in style. The grunge look, the band t-shirts, flannels tied around the waist, oversized t-shirts, all black and white (though this is less 90's and more current styles - I blame virgil abloh and his brand Pyrex vision/Off-white)

Besides, your friend's theory is based on the idea that he thinks certain women in gangnam are hookers. Are there hookers in gangnam? Yes. Is it possible a 20yr old Korean girl saw another Korean girl dressed fashionably and copied her look and she turned out to be a ho? Yes.

Do I think hookers in gangnam are setting new fashion trends in Korea? No, I'm betting it's probably one of the dozens of corny fashion tv shows I see flipping through the channels, the internet, power bloggers, etc.


"Sorry dude, but tumblr and reddit are the last places to look for current fashion trends."

Alright, I'm outta here.


In other words your friend's theory is completely asinine but you can't bring yourself to admit it.

You do realize there are women in Gangnam who are NOT hookers, right? What do you think they wear? Hoop skirts?

Your theory is that all those other girls in Gangnam, instead of looking at a fashion blog/designer site/catalog/Kpop vic/movie/TV show/magazine/etc. looked out at a hooker on the street and said "That's what I'm going to wear!"

It couldn't possibly be the people in Gangnam who have loads of disposable income/good jobs/rich boyfriends who went out and browsed stores or sites or whatnot.

Apparently all the people here who study fashion and design and own clothing stores and all the dept. stores and stuff were stuck in the 80s with LA Gear and Jordache jeans and suddenly they and everyone else looked out and saw a hooker and that caused a massive shift in demand to platform shoes and short skirts?

If you ever wanted to sound like the small town midwesterner that you say you are, boy did you just mark yourself.
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happiness



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but are NETs on Daves debating about whether K-gals fashion is up to date?
Shouldnt you be trying to get them out of said clothes? Sounds sexist, but lol internet warriorings. Just enjoy the scenery, and make sure youre up to date.
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optik404



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

happiness wrote:
Sorry, but are NETs on Daves debating about whether K-gals fashion is up to date?
Shouldnt you be trying to get them out of said clothes? Sounds sexist, but lol internet warriorings. Just enjoy the scenery, and make sure youre up to date.


That's like saying any time spent not trying to get laid is a waste of time. Mindset of a teenager.
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you know the "Gangnam prostitutes" are not getting their style from the normal girls, as opposed to the normal girls getting their style form the prostitutes?
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happiness



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

optik404 wrote:
happiness wrote:
Sorry, but are NETs on Daves debating about whether K-gals fashion is up to date?
Shouldnt you be trying to get them out of said clothes? Sounds sexist, but lol internet warriorings. Just enjoy the scenery, and make sure youre up to date.


That's like saying any time spent not trying to get laid is a waste of time. Mindset of a teenager.


What I meant was why are NETS talking about K-gals fashions? Seems kind of odd for (mostly) single men in a foreign country to be discussing these things.
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Sector7G



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
How do you know the "Gangnam prostitutes" are not getting their style from the normal girls, as opposed to the normal girls getting their style form the prostitutes?
Once I was sitting at an outdoor cafe with a former girlfriend when a woman walked by wearing shorts and the type of sandals that have straps wrapping around the leg up to the knee. My girlfriend commented to me that she thought that style looked "sexy", and she wanted to buy some for herself. I told her that I thought it looked "slutty". To which she responded, "slutty is sexy!". Touche!

She had a point, but whether I agreed or not is beside the point. It gave me some insight into a woman's thinking.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Chris Rock says about women at the club, you can put the nastiest dirtiest song, and she won't care. If the beats alright she will dance all night. If you mention the lyrics- "He ain't talkin bout me!"

Was it Chris or Pablo Francisco or some other comic who was talking about DJs at the club saying "All right ladies, let's see who is the biggest skank out there tonight" and you'll see girls running up like "Me, me, I'm a skank".

I dunno, is it any worse than men dressing like some mobster/action villain/soldier/gangsta/general punk as though being someone who is a killer/criminal/delinquent is a good thing?

Quote:
What I meant was why are NETS talking about K-gals fashions? Seems kind of odd for (mostly) single men in a foreign country to be discussing these things.


Well when some country bumpkin comes along and says A) Girls take their fashion cues from prostitutes in Gangnam and B) Busan is podunk (light years away from some Midwest nowhere where everyone stands around the Dairy Queen) the yeah, it deserves some flames.

Like I said, it was possibly the most retarded post by men concerning women since the 'Dunkin Donuts is a Status Symbol' thread.

Sad thing is, its these kinds of claims and rumors that get tossed about and get picked up by some dimwitted and gullible journalist and tossed on CNN as some sort of 'Wacky Asian Trend' story you see pop up from time to time.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol at the foreigners commenting about fashion. i've seen maybe a handful of foreigners i'd consider fashionable in my entire stay here.

for the rest it's yoga pants and oversized shirts/jeans all day, every day.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wishfullthinkng wrote:
lol at the foreigners commenting about fashion. i've seen maybe a handful of foreigners i'd consider fashionable in my entire stay here.

for the rest it's yoga pants and oversized shirts/jeans all day, every day.


Yea, those oversized shirts and jeans just look ridiculous now. I used to dress that way and looking back at old photos, I'm like wtf was I thinking!
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happiness



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive never seen anyone in yoga pants here. I like them, for one. If you mean like sweatpants, than yeah, i get that. For American guys, the default "uniform" of sweats, unfitted jeans, some thick cotton t-shirt and, a hoodie, which is cool if you like it.

Me, I just got these on order.

http://www.amazon.com/CandyHuskys-Stripe-Cotton-Fisherman-Trousers/dp/B00DQT0VRO/ref=pd_sim_a_6?ie=UTF8&refRID=1JX5V6VD0G46MRB9VNGW
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wishfullthinkng



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seriously happiness? just take a look at any of the chunkster women... a good percentage of them waddle around in yoga pants at any given non-working hour.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3DR wrote:
wishfullthinkng wrote:
lol at the foreigners commenting about fashion. i've seen maybe a handful of foreigners i'd consider fashionable in my entire stay here.

for the rest it's yoga pants and oversized shirts/jeans all day, every day.


Yea, those oversized shirts and jeans just look ridiculous now. I used to dress that way and looking back at old photos, I'm like wtf was I thinking!


Yeah Korea has improved my fashion -- all tailored suits, shirts, etc now. Clothes that actually fit!

It's so embarrassing these guys who fly in for meetings with Chaebol heads in suits from back when they weighted 60lb more. Looks more like a Jedi robe than a suit. Korean business dudes know how to dress, and the tailors here make it easy to look great.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
3DR wrote:
wishfullthinkng wrote:
lol at the foreigners commenting about fashion. i've seen maybe a handful of foreigners i'd consider fashionable in my entire stay here.

for the rest it's yoga pants and oversized shirts/jeans all day, every day.


Yea, those oversized shirts and jeans just look ridiculous now. I used to dress that way and looking back at old photos, I'm like wtf was I thinking!


Yeah Korea has improved my fashion -- all tailored suits, shirts, etc now. Clothes that actually fit!

It's so embarrassing these guys who fly in for meetings with Chaebol heads in suits from back when they weighted 60lb more. Looks more like a Jedi robe than a suit. Korean business dudes know how to dress, and the tailors here make it easy to look great.

The business dudes here don't "know" how to dress; the tailors and brand name suit makers have copied various European standards, which are now the norm, and almost nobody here deviates from the norm. Just a few years ago it was nasty boxy cut silver suits here, which is what they'd all still be wearing if the trend hadn't turned.

Some Americans, on the other hand, need to clue-in and stop dressing in the oversize clothes and ill-fitting Jedi robe "suits". It lowers status instantly; not good if doing international business or teaching abroad. Lose some weight and wear clothes that fit. Everyone, including yourself, will be happier.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mix1 wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
3DR wrote:
wishfullthinkng wrote:
lol at the foreigners commenting about fashion. i've seen maybe a handful of foreigners i'd consider fashionable in my entire stay here.

for the rest it's yoga pants and oversized shirts/jeans all day, every day.


Yea, those oversized shirts and jeans just look ridiculous now. I used to dress that way and looking back at old photos, I'm like wtf was I thinking!


Yeah Korea has improved my fashion -- all tailored suits, shirts, etc now. Clothes that actually fit!

It's so embarrassing these guys who fly in for meetings with Chaebol heads in suits from back when they weighted 60lb more. Looks more like a Jedi robe than a suit. Korean business dudes know how to dress, and the tailors here make it easy to look great.

The business dudes here don't "know" how to dress; the tailors and brand name suit makers have copied various European standards, which are now the norm, and almost nobody here deviates from the norm. Just a few years ago it was nasty boxy cut silver suits here, which is what they'd all still be wearing if the trend hadn't turned.

Some Americans, on the other hand, need to clue-in and stop dressing in the oversize clothes and ill-fitting Jedi robe "suits". It lowers status instantly; not good if doing international business or teaching abroad. Lose some weight and wear clothes that fit. Everyone, including yourself, will be happier.


Business has always been about outward appearances. It just depends on who you are doing business with as to the attire you should choose. Status is style over substance. This is for all of us who lack brilliant ideas about how to get rich (I include myself in that category). Many of the richest folks to ever exist didn't give a *beep* about how they dressed or what kind of car they drove while they were working out their master plan.
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