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Korea's Sparkling Leadership: Stunning truths of 4/16
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cmxc



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:40 pm    Post subject: Korea's Sparkling Leadership: Stunning truths of 4/16 Reply with quote

So when even the Korea Times - Korea's most reliable news organization and cheerleader for all things Korean - has an op-ed criticizing the cowardice and incompetence of Korean government and coast guard officials when the Sewol was sinking, you know things are fubar.

In the National Assembly hearings about the Sewol, the actual phone calls recordings were played. It was clear that the officials only cared about protecting their asses. They didn't give one flying f-ck about the kids.

They were more concerned about making accurate reports than saving kids. Even the coast guard officials admit that vehicles were diverted so that senior officers could be flown to the scene instead of trying to rescue anyone onboard the Sewol.

Korea apologist please eat dung and off yourselves. The Korea you defend has no redeeming qualities among its ajoshi 'leaders'
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RangerMcGreggor



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not even Korean themselves like Korean politicians
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea's Sparkling Leadership: Stunning truths of 4/16 Reply with quote

cmxc wrote:
So when even the Korea Times - Korea's most reliable news organization and cheerleader for all things Korean - has an op-ed criticizing the cowardice and incompetence of Korean government and coast guard officials when the Sewol was sinking, you know things are fubar.

In the National Assembly hearings about the Sewol, the actual phone calls recordings were played. It was clear that the officials only cared about protecting their asses. They didn't give one flying f-ck about the kids.

They were more concerned about making accurate reports than saving kids. Even the coast guard officials admit that vehicles were diverted so that senior officers could be flown to the scene instead of trying to rescue anyone onboard the Sewol.

Korea apologist please eat dung and off yourselves. The Korea you defend has no redeeming qualities among its ajoshi 'leaders'


sickening.

What I cant understand is why I havent read about anything like this in the international press - specifically the BBC?. Perhaps its time someone gathered all these articles and linked them to a press office.

Anyway, in the meantime, Ill wait until SR et al. jump in and defend these actions, should be an interesting read at work later.
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RangerMcGreggor wrote:
Not even Korean themselves like Korean politicians


They do if they're told to prior to elections. I seem to remember the current prime minister getting enough positive support before she was voted in.

People are always fickle about things like this - koreans included...
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wanderkind



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not doubting you, but could you source the reporting on these proceedings? I'd like to read more about it.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe this

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2014/07/202_160359.html
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cmxc



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:53 pm    Post subject: link to article Reply with quote

Yes, I forgot to post a link to the Korea Times op ed on this:

Stunning truths of 4/16
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2014/07/202_160359.html

And yes, no other English language news source mentions this at all. Every other news source is too busy celebrating the visit of Chinese leader Xi Jinping, even though it is clear that China will never take the side of South Korea should hostilities break out with North Korea.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:17 am    Post subject: Re: link to article Reply with quote

cmxc wrote:
even though it is clear that China will never take the side of South Korea should hostilities break out with North Korea.

North Korea practically needs China's go ahead, if NK wanted to attack the south. But that will never happen.

China doesn't want instability in the Korean peninsula, and the possibility of more American troops entering Korea.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demented-minkuk!
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: link to article Reply with quote

cmxc wrote:
Yes, I forgot to post a link to the Korea Times op ed on this:

Stunning truths of 4/16
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2014/07/202_160359.html

And yes, no other English language news source mentions this at all. Every other news source is too busy celebrating the visit of Chinese leader Xi Jinping, even though it is clear that China will never take the side of South Korea should hostilities break out with North Korea.


No, but they're at the point now of not taking North Korea's side either. You do know why the North's threat of shelling Seoul is empty because of China, right?
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happiness



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasnt going to comment, but I guess Ill say this.

Korean education and society is all about the hierarchy, and in this kind of modern disaster, in the age of instant media, just shows this again, its Pavlovs dog, people act when they are controlled/allowed to (not only Korea does this, but this dialogue is about Korea), and in a society that pretty much lives for that power set defined in different groups (each with their own power structure), the little people often get ignored, because the higher ups work for their higher ups. We see it in our English Academes/companies.

Here, the stakes were alot bigger, but theyre was no presipice for working independently, with ones own ideas. So, inaction was the result. They could even see the kids iin the windows as the ship wa going down, but nothingor no not much.

Poor kids, but isnt this just Korea Modus Operandi? no?
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked the link, the story is written as an 'opinion' and doesnt even seem to have author.

Does anyone have a link for this story - ie facts regarding the phone calls etc.?.

Thanks
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

happiness wrote:
I wasnt going to comment, but I guess Ill say this.

Korean education and society is all about the hierarchy, and in this kind of modern disaster, in the age of instant media, just shows this again, its Pavlovs dog, people act when they are controlled/allowed to (not only Korea does this, but this dialogue is about Korea), and in a society that pretty much lives for that power set defined in different groups (each with their own power structure), the little people often get ignored, because the higher ups work for their higher ups. We see it in our English Academes/companies.

Here, the stakes were alot bigger, but theyre was no presipice for working independently, with ones own ideas. So, inaction was the result. They could even see the kids iin the windows as the ship wa going down, but nothingor no not much.

Poor kids, but isnt this just Korea Modus Operandi? no?

They were a bunch of kids, 17 year old teenagers, that's why they listened. If they were a bunch of adults, it might have been a different story, except they probably would have drowned at sea.

During the opening days of the Korean War, Lee Seung-Man's government broadcast statements telling Koreans to stay put, and that they'd defend Seoul, and all the government was still in Seoul. However, most people started going south, despite being told to stay. How do you explain that in the whole hierarchy? How about all the anti-government protests in the 80's mostly done by university students?
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atwood



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
happiness wrote:
I wasnt going to comment, but I guess Ill say this.

Korean education and society is all about the hierarchy, and in this kind of modern disaster, in the age of instant media, just shows this again, its Pavlovs dog, people act when they are controlled/allowed to (not only Korea does this, but this dialogue is about Korea), and in a society that pretty much lives for that power set defined in different groups (each with their own power structure), the little people often get ignored, because the higher ups work for their higher ups. We see it in our English Academes/companies.

Here, the stakes were alot bigger, but theyre was no presipice for working independently, with ones own ideas. So, inaction was the result. They could even see the kids iin the windows as the ship wa going down, but nothingor no not much.

Poor kids, but isnt this just Korea Modus Operandi? no?

They were a bunch of kids, 17 year old teenagers, that's why they listened. If they were a bunch of adults, it might have been a different story, except they probably would have drowned at sea.

During the opening days of the Korean War, Lee Seung-Man's government broadcast statements telling Koreans to stay put, and that they'd defend Seoul, and all the government was still in Seoul. However, most people started going south, despite being told to stay. How do you explain that in the whole hierarchy? How about all the anti-government protests in the 80's mostly done by university students?

Didn't the leaders of those protests all become the next generation of political "leaders"?

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atwood wrote:

Didn't the leaders of those protests all become the next generation of political "leaders"?

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


Yes, same as hippies in Vietnam. Some changed and went back to the mainstream, some are running unions and living as artists and the like. Not all current leaders are former protestors and not all former protestors are leaders.

However, unlike the hashtag activists of Dave's, they actually succeeded in bringing around change. You know, that whole "elections" thing.
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