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Korea's Sparkling Leadership: Stunning truths of 4/16
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
atwood wrote:

Didn't the leaders of those protests all become the next generation of political "leaders"?

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


Yes, same as hippies in Vietnam. Some changed and went back to the mainstream, some are running unions and living as artists and the like. Not all current leaders are former protestors and not all former protestors are leaders.

However, unlike the hashtag activists of Dave's, they actually succeeded in bringing around change. You know, that whole "elections" thing.

I said "leaders," not "all."

Just read, baby, read.

I can't speak for others here, but I vote. How about you? (I seem to be in the mood for a derail, so have at it, casey jones.)
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:
I checked the link, the story is written as an 'opinion' and doesnt even seem to have author.

Does anyone have a link for this story - ie facts regarding the phone calls etc.?.

Thanks

What with all the news and photos about Clara and what she's wearing, I doubt they could find the bandwidth to run a story.

Rumors of a government cover-up are out there. Some even believe they don't want to catch Yoo because he's got the dirt on some higher-ups.

Just sayin'.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The amount of corruption is sickening

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/07/116_160513.html

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They also allegedly failed to monitor the status of the ferry when it sailed nearby, and tampered with duty logs and surveillance camera footage in an attempt to cover up their wrongdoings.

"The investigators are analyzing the transcript of communications between the crew of the ferry Sewol and the Jindo VTS Center and surveillance camera footage to see whether Coast Guard officials performed their duties properly," a prosecutor said. "We are trying to figure out why it took 18 minutes for the VTS center to respond to the distress calls from the Sewol. We would like to know what happened between 8:48 and 9:06 a.m. on April 16."
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wanderkind



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
The amount of corruption is sickening

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/07/116_160513.html


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President Park Geun-hye has vowed to disband the Coast Guard and establish a comprehensive government agency to better deal with safety-related matters.


She what?!

Surely that must be a reporting error...
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanderkind wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
The amount of corruption is sickening

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/07/116_160513.html


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President Park Geun-hye has vowed to disband the Coast Guard and establish a comprehensive government agency to better deal with safety-related matters.


She what?!

Surely that must be a reporting error...

That's old news.

Supposedly the CG's big problems was that its chief officers came form the national police agency and thus had no experience and knowledge regarding matters of the sea.

So what did they do? Disbanded the CG and made it a part of the national police agency.
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wanderkind



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atwood wrote:
wanderkind wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
The amount of corruption is sickening

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/07/116_160513.html


Quote:
President Park Geun-hye has vowed to disband the Coast Guard and establish a comprehensive government agency to better deal with safety-related matters.


She what?!

Surely that must be a reporting error...

That's old news.

Supposedly the CG's big problems was that its chief officers came form the national police agency and thus had no experience and knowledge regarding matters of the sea.

So what did they do? Disbanded the CG and made it a part of the national police agency.


Auuuuuuuugh... my head hurts...
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not what it said. The parts responsible for gathering information conducting investigations will be transferred to the police, yes. But S&R operations and coastal patrol will go to National Safety, essentially a new Korean FEMA~Homeland Security. The second part mimics the reshuffling of the Coast Guard following 9/11 where it was put under DHS authority.

I think the second part is fine. The first shouldn't go to the police, unless as a temporary measure. It should instead go to some sort of NTSB.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
That's not what it said. The parts responsible for gathering information conducting investigations will be transferred to the police, yes. But S&R operations and coastal patrol will go to National Safety, essentially a new Korean FEMA~Homeland Security. The second part mimics the reshuffling of the Coast Guard following 9/11 where it was put under DHS authority.

I think the second part is fine. The first shouldn't go to the police, unless as a temporary measure. It should instead go to some sort of NTSB.

And who will be in charge of National Safety? Same ol' same ol'.

Please don't compare to the Korean CG to the U.S. Coast Guard. They are not in the same league.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atwood wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
That's not what it said. The parts responsible for gathering information conducting investigations will be transferred to the police, yes. But S&R operations and coastal patrol will go to National Safety, essentially a new Korean FEMA~Homeland Security. The second part mimics the reshuffling of the Coast Guard following 9/11 where it was put under DHS authority.

I think the second part is fine. The first shouldn't go to the police, unless as a temporary measure. It should instead go to some sort of NTSB.

And who will be in charge of National Safety? Same ol' same ol'.

Please don't compare to the Korean CG to the U.S. Coast Guard. They are not in the same league.


I'm not comparing the capabilities of the two, I'm comparing where they are located in government structure. National Safety seems, at this preliminary juncture, to have elements of FEMA/DHS, recognizing it as more of a disaster relief/law enforcement agency than a military organization, USCG is under DHS for the same reasons. That's what I was writing, I wasn't comparing their SAR capabilities or the level of equipment, I don't know how you got that from what I was writing.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
atwood wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
That's not what it said. The parts responsible for gathering information conducting investigations will be transferred to the police, yes. But S&R operations and coastal patrol will go to National Safety, essentially a new Korean FEMA~Homeland Security. The second part mimics the reshuffling of the Coast Guard following 9/11 where it was put under DHS authority.

I think the second part is fine. The first shouldn't go to the police, unless as a temporary measure. It should instead go to some sort of NTSB.

And who will be in charge of National Safety? Same ol' same ol'.

Please don't compare to the Korean CG to the U.S. Coast Guard. They are not in the same league.


I'm not comparing the capabilities of the two, I'm comparing where they are located in government structure. National Safety seems, at this preliminary juncture, to have elements of FEMA/DHS, recognizing it as more of a disaster relief/law enforcement agency than a military organization, USCG is under DHS for the same reasons. That's what I was writing, I wasn't comparing their SAR capabilities or the level of equipment, I don't know how you got that from what I was writing.

Can this new agency smell a red herring?

New names, same organization. Why try and muddy the waters? Those scuba divers have a hard enough time as it is.
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