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Steelrails
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
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| It was assumed that the rebels only had MANPADS |
Do you buy them at the pharmacy? |
Right next to Kramer's Bro/Manssiere. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I also doubt that the Russians would have given the rebels a Buk/SA 2/300 without giving them a STERN talking to about making sure not to down any civilian airliners.
Who knows though, you can always get a chain of idiocy in situations like this. |
Don't think so. Russian Army is not that competant at 'safety first', just not in their doctrine.
Nor it's likely that Russian SAMs are eqipped with IFF capability, even if the Russians keep saying that they are.
Thirdly, the mindset of rebel fighters: they are enthusiastic and they'll shoot at anything that moves. They'll fire on Santa Claus if there's a radar-lock on him.  |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Look now at the americans saying they'll give Ukraine military support 
Red line... |
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Titus
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:40 am Post subject: |
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-us-analysis/index.html
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Washington (CNN) -- A classified U.S. intelligence analysis says it is most likely that pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine fired the missile that downed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, CNN has learned.
A U.S. defense official with direct access to the latest information detailed the analysis to CNN but declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the information.
The preliminary analysis concludes the missile was from a Russian-made Buk system, known as the SA-11 among NATO forces, the official said. U.S. military intelligence analysts concluded only the SA-11 or the SA-20 has the warhead, range and ability to shoot down an airliner, the official said. |
classified...unnamed defense official, good work CNN.
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| The Ukrainians are not believed to have an SA-20 system |
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/news/ukrainskaya-ruletka-20-letnie-s-300-popadayut-v-cel-odin-raz-iz-chetyreh/
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| The U.S. military and intelligence community expect to have a more definitive assessment of what happened by the end of the weekend. |
ie we made shit up to whip up the plebs and called it classified and after we have a think about it we'll maybe have an actual narrative you can push
Why is this the business of the USA? And after the USA just gave surface to air missiles to the "vetted opposition" (ISIS) in Syria is this country really in a position to talk about rebels and escalation?
This is an American Jihad against restive provinces. |
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catman
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Terry Moran @TerryMoran 1h
BREAKING: Shots fired by rebels at international team of investigators (OSCE) in Ukraine as they approach plane wreckage, via @KiritRadia |
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Titus
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| Why is this the business of the USA? |
http://nypost.com/2014/07/18/obama-says-1-american-dead-in-flight-mh17-tragedy/
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There was at least one American citizen killed in Thursday’s horrific plane crash that took 298 innocent lives from around the world, President Obama announced Friday morning.
Reuters had reported on Thursday that 23 Americans were on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, but Obama said officials now believe that Quinn Lucas Schansman was the only one. |
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Titus
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros trolling is an art and you're not an artist. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| Kuros trolling is an art and you're not an artist. |
Does answering non-rhetorical questions with facts constitute trolling now? |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Why does the west expect Putin not only to abandon millions of ethnic Russians in Ukraine, but also usher them into the EU?
Honestly.. sometimes the double standards of western media agenda become too noticeable.
Obviously the rebels did not intentionally shoot down the plane. It should not even have been flying over a war zone. Yet western media is making it sound like a deliberate atrocity at the hands of putin.
The Ukrainian military shot down an Air Siberia airliner in 2001, killing 78 people. That was also an accident. Did the US scream murder and put sanctions on Ukraine?
In 1998 Congolese rebels shot down a passenger airplane killing 40. Did the US scream murder and offer to supply arms to the government?
US should be nowhere near Ukraine, it is Russia's back yard. They need to back off. |
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schwa
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I'm surprised to have not seen any mention of the US doing almost exactly the same thing 26 years ago. A commercial aircraft on a regularly scheduled flight minding its own business was accidentally shot down by a surface-to-air missile from a US navy ship, with 290 dead including 66 children.
The US acknowledged responsibility & paid money to victims' families but never apologized.
Heres the wiki account. There are similarities to this week's horrible event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
The ship's commanding officer later received a medal for "outstanding service." |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
| I'm surprised to have not seen any mention of the US doing almost exactly the same thing 26 years ago. |
Its very clear the skewed western media is toeing the line fed to them by governments.
If you believe CNN then Putin pulled the trigger and his goal in life is to invade Ukraine.
And the cause of democracy is best advanced by forcing millions of Russians into being being part of Ukraine against their will. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| schwa wrote: |
| I'm surprised to have not seen any mention of the US doing almost exactly the same thing 26 years ago. |
Its very clear the skewed western media is toeing the line fed to them by governments.
If you believe CNN then Putin pulled the trigger and his goal in life is to invade Ukraine.
And the cause of democracy is best advanced by forcing millions of Russians into being being part of Ukraine against their will. |
Forget democracy and tell me how the people, or the world, benefits from the creation of another gangster separatist region that no one recognizes and only exists due to support from Moscow and criminal proceeds. Also, if we are bringing up past incidents, Russia shot down a Korean plane http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007 and accused it of spying, which is the same line now being used by Ukrainian separatists. It wasn't the first time the Russians had shot down a Korean plane either. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902 |
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Kuros
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geldedgoat
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