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Lucas
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Steelrails
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| Shooting a person in the leg is not easy. Go and shoot some handguns and see how well you do aiming at a leg. You need A LOT of practice. And mist beat cops would be better off going to procedural training or crime scene integrity training than spending hours at the gun range. |
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Kepler
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Another black man shot near Ferguson |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2729174/BREAKING-NEWS-Police-officer-shoots-dead-suspect-St-Louis.html
Why not shoot him in the leg? |
"Part of the problem of asking cops to shoot to wound is the lower statistical likelihood of actually hitting a suspect in the arms or legs. The Omaha, Nebraska, Police Department notes that because armed encounters are rarely with a stationary suspect, expecting officers to shoot a suspect's arms or legs is 'not feasible nor is it realistic.'
"Police officers are trained to fire at the center mass (the torso), which both increases the odds of subduing a deadly threat and decreases the likelihood of hitting innocent bystanders."
http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/08/why-dont-police-shoot-to-wound.html
Police are also taught the 21 foot rule: an attacker armed with a knife can cover a distance of about 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. They don't have time to carefully aim their gun at an arm or leg of a rapidly advancing attacker. |
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Smithington
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The VAST majority of black males shot dead in America are shot by other black males. This issue is in need of more urgent attention that the shooting of a lone black male by a white police officer. |
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Lucas
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
| The VAST majority of black males shot dead in America are shot by other black males. This issue is in need of more urgent attention that the shooting of a lone black male by a white police officer. |
Change the subject, quickly! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
| The VAST majority of black males shot dead in America are shot by other black males. This issue is in need of more urgent attention that the shooting of a lone black male by a white police officer. |
Change the subject, quickly! |
Lol, seriously. Yep, nothing to see here folks! All is a-ok in the usa when it comes to police and race relations! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
| The VAST majority of black males shot dead in America are shot by other black males. This issue is in need of more urgent attention that the shooting of a lone black male by a white police officer. |
Black people are not ignoring black-on-black crime |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
| The VAST majority of black males shot dead in America are shot by other black males. This issue is in need of more urgent attention that the shooting of a lone black male by a white police officer. |
Change the subject, quickly! |
nah, that's pretty relevant. Trouble follows them. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Borrrrring.
Today was just another morning, with people on my Facebook posting crap about "we need to stop the bla bla bla in the USA". For bla bla bla insert --> police militarization, racism, poisoned food supply, govt bankruptcy, or govt surveillance. They all argue about it online and click "like" (so silly).
Get real. Macro-movements like this do not just reverse one day because you click "like" on FB. Only some massive change (like revolution) will upset the direction of things. Short of that, things continue in the direction they are going with the momentum they have gathered.
So just leave if you don't like it, or stay and quietly accept the inevitable. We are over here so who cares... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/21/steve-chapman-what-about-black-on-black
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"What about black-on-black violence?" demanded Fox News anchor Martha MacCallum, who is white.
"Where is Al Sharpton on that? Where is the president on that?"
Funny you should ask. Sharpton made a publicized trip to Chicago in November to focus attention on the city's chronic violence.
Last year, Michelle Obama attended the funeral of Hadiya Pendleton, a 15-year-old black honor student who was shot, allegedly by a black gang member.
The first lady later returned to Chicago to converse with students at a school that is nearly 100 percent African-American.
"In choosing Harper High School for the visit, the White House noted that 29 current or former students there had been shot in the last year, eight of them fatally," reported the Chicago Tribune.
The president also traveled to Chicago, meeting with kids involved in a mentoring program for at-risk adolescent boys,
bemoaning gun violence and telling a crowd on the South Side, "Our streets will only be as safe as our schools are strong and our families are sound."
Doesn't sound like they've been ignoring or excusing this sort of violence.
Plenty of black leaders and organizations in Chicago and elsewhere spend a lot of time and energy trying to prevent crime in their communities.
There are rallies, conferences, prayer vigils and gun turn-in days. Last year, thousands of volunteers manned "Safe Passage" routes to get children to school unharmed.
Have Riley and MacCallum and other critics publicized those events and programs? If not, why not?
If so, why do they now act as though they don't exist?
Their charges have more than a whiff of condescension—implying that most blacks are unable to discern the greatest ills afflicting them.
But black leaders can walk and chew gum at the same time. They can work to curb violence by blacks against blacks
and also work to prevent the killing of unarmed African-Americans by police and vigilantes. Both are deeply undesirable. |
Any more lame reasons to treat police killings of blacks as unworthy of our attention? |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The VAST majority of black males shot dead in America are shot by other black males. This issue is in need of more urgent attention that the shooting of a lone black male by a white police officer. |
Who says its not a concern. In fact, its ALL you hear anytime the topic of race is brought up. This has been mentioned before but ALL races kill each other in similar numbers, including whites. So the queston begs why is black on black crime seen as unique? Its tragic but not unique. Even inter-ethnic crime is/was common (Italians vs. Italians, Irish vs. Irish). Go to South Boston and see for yourself.
Also the context of this. People will always kill people, its tragic. However, this is a cop. A person charged with keeping people safe. Surely the dynamc and context is much, much different. It would be the same if white cops were killing white unarmed teens. Its apples and oranges crime. Espeically given the histor in America. When has cops ever stopped killed unarmed black or latinos? They were doing it before civil rights and post civil rights and if anyone can tell me when it stopped and started up again, I'd love to hear when that was.
The sad fact also is these days the cops are abusive to EVERYONE. Youtube 'police abuse/brutality' adn take your pick on 'elderly' 'soccer mom' 'college student' etc. I'm talking middle america, suburban groups and you'll see a video. So, its clearly more than even a white cop/black male situation these days but all of us.
Finally...social scientists can explain when the poor, black or otherwise commit crimes, but whites in america as a group are more violent than whites in other countries.
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/6053811/white-on-white-murder/in/5495477
White-on-white murder in America is out of control
the disturbing truth, according to the FBI's most recent homicide statistics, is that the United States is in the wake of an epidemic of white-on-white crime. Back in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians.
many countries full of white people — Norway, Iceland, France, Denmark, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom — where white people murder each other at a much lower rate than you see here in the United States. On the other hand, although people often see criminal behavior as a symptom of poverty, the quantity of murder committed by white people specifically in the United States casts some doubt on this. Per capita GDP is considerably higher here than in France — and the white population in America is considerably richer than the national average — and yet we have more white murderers.
To understand the level of cultural pathology at work here, it's important to understand that 36 percent of those killed by whites are women — a far higher share than you see with black murderers. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Back in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians. |
The white figures are massively inflated by the fact that those FBI stats seem to include Hispanics in the white category. You shouldn't be taken in by such shoddy journalism. |
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KimchiNinja
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Maybe if the men had respectful women, who were not 300lb, who cooked a hot meal, and had sex with them occasionally (or if they at least had prostitution readily available), they wouldn't have so much pent up rage.  |
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