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Kepler
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 Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:01 pm Post subject: The Real History of Slavery |
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=31E1gHowYcA
This video contains a lot of interesting facts about slavery that many people don't know. Some things I learned:
* The majority of slaves in English colonies were Irish up until the 18th Century. England enslaved about 300,000 Irish in the 1600s. About 100,000 Irish children were forcibly separated from their parents and sold to English settlers in the New World.
* Muslims enslaved about 1 million Europeans between 1530 and 1780. Pirates raided coastal towns from Italy to England and sold the people they captured to Arabs.
* Muslims enslaved over 150 million Africans over the course of several centuries. There is not a big black population in Arab nations today because male slaves were usually castrated and if female slaves became pregnant their babies were murdered after they gave birth.
* America was a rather minor participant in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Less than 5% of slaves shipped across the Atlantic ended up in America. In contrast, over 30% ended up in Brazil. A greater percentage of free blacks owned slaves than whites in America.
* England became the number one opponent of slavery in the 19th Century. The British Navy blockaded the coast of Africa to stop the slave trade. They put a lot of pressure on other governments to end slavery. Brazil finally ended slavery in the 1880s due to this pressure. |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: The Real History of Slavery |
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| Kepler wrote: |
| Muslims enslaved about 1 million Europeans between 1530 and 1780. Pirates raided coastal towns from Italy to England and sold the people they captured to Arabs. |
Hence the word "Barbarians" ie muslims from the barbary coast of north Africa.
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Fox
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought the word "barbarian" originally stemed from the Greek term barbaroi? |
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Chaparrastique
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EastisEast
Joined: 29 May 2014
Location: Canada
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* Muslims enslaved over 150 million Africans over the course of several centuries. There is not a big black population in Arab nations today because male slaves were usually castrated and if female slaves became pregnant their babies were murdered after they gave birth.
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More often than infanticide, the black population blended in with the Arab. You can see many many Arabs with very African features from Egypt to Iran. |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| EastisEast wrote: |
More often than infanticide, the black population blended in with the Arab. You can see many many Arabs with very African features from Egypt to Iran. |
I doubt it.
There are very few arabs with black African blood. they have a strong anti-black culture. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| I thought the word "barbarian" originally stemed from the Greek term barbaroi? |
Dracula was Greek? |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:39 am Post subject: Re: The Real History of Slavery |
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| Kepler wrote: |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=31E1gHowYcA
This video contains a lot of interesting facts about slavery that many people don't know. Some things I learned:
* The majority of slaves in English colonies were Irish up until the 18th Century. England enslaved about 300,000 Irish in the 1600s. About 100,000 Irish children were forcibly separated from their parents and sold to English settlers in the New World.
* Muslims enslaved about 1 million Europeans between 1530 and 1780. Pirates raided coastal towns from Italy to England and sold the people they captured to Arabs.
* Muslims enslaved over 150 million Africans over the course of several centuries. There is not a big black population in Arab nations today because male slaves were usually castrated and if female slaves became pregnant their babies were murdered after they gave birth.
* America was a rather minor participant in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Less than 5% of slaves shipped across the Atlantic ended up in America. In contrast, over 30% ended up in Brazil. A greater percentage of free blacks owned slaves than whites in America.
* England became the number one opponent of slavery in the 19th Century. The British Navy blockaded the coast of Africa to stop the slave trade. They put a lot of pressure on other governments to end slavery. Brazil finally ended slavery in the 1880s due to this pressure. |
Add to that the 2 million + Eastern Europeans and Russians that were captured and traded as slaves in the Ottoman Empire.
In fact one of the greatest Muslim leaders in history was Baibars, a former slave captured in Eastern Europe. He was a blond and blue eyed white guy who ended up eclipsing even Saladin.
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:46 am Post subject: Re: The Real History of Slavery |
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| The majority of slaves in English colonies were Irish up until the 18th Century. England enslaved about 300,000 Irish in the 1600s. About 100,000 Irish children were forcibly separated from their parents and sold to English settlers in the New World. |
The Irish traded by Cromwell were indeed slaves, but before that they were mainly indentured servants.
I am not saying that wasn't awful, but if that is classed as slavery then every Brit who worked in a workhouse could also be classed as a slave.
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| England became the number one opponent of slavery in the 19th Century. The British Navy blockaded the coast of Africa to stop the slave trade. They put a lot of pressure on other governments to end slavery. Brazil finally ended slavery in the 1880s due to this pressure. |
Not only that but in 1812 whilst at war with both Napoleon and the US, Britain threatened war with Portugese Brazil if they did not stop trading slaves north of the equator.
They also paid Spain and Sweden to stop slaving at the Congress of Vienna. |
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Sesame
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| whites have been enslaved just as much as blacks but you don't hear us crying about it as much as the blacks in America do. The Barbary slave trade was wicked and enslaved far more whites than blacks when we shipped them off to the americas. Lol at the fragile black ego and emotional traits of a ten year old female when slavery is brought up. |
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guavashake
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: The Real History of Slavery |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
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England became the number one opponent of slavery in the 19th Century. The British Navy blockaded the coast of Africa to stop the slave trade.
They put a lot of pressure on other governments to end slavery. Brazil finally ended slavery in the 1880s due to this pressure. |
Not only that but in 1812 whilst at war with both Napoleon and the US, Britain threatened war with Portugese Brazil if they did not stop trading slaves north of the equator.
They also paid Spain and Sweden to stop slaving at the Congress of Vienna. |
Regarding this aspect of history, and the OP comment...
"England became the number one opponent of slavery in the 19th Century. The British Navy blockaded the coast of Africa to stop the slave trade.
They put a lot of pressure on other governments to end slavery.
Brazil finally ended slavery in the 1880s due to this pressure."
There is more to the story.
England may have done those things, but WHY did England do those things?
The answer may be found by watching a movie starring Marlon Brando, BURN!
BURN! (AKA Queimada)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4q_j8qChA
The time is the mid-19th century and the setting is the fictitious island of Queimada, a Portuguese sugar colony in the Caribbean.
To further their own trade, the British send to Queimada a secret agent, Sir William Walker (Marlon Brando),
to preach independence and greed to the plantation owners and to teach revolution and freedom to the slaves.
Largely with the help of Jose Dolores (Evaristo Marquez), whom he first meets as a dock porter, Sir William is triumphantly successful.
The Portuguese are removed and the independent nation of Queimada is established with the support of the British Antilles Sugar Company.
The answer to the question is to further their own trade. England did those things to further their own trade.
England was a purveyor of commodities, sugar, opium, etc.
In this case, England wanted to monopolize the production and distribution of sugar.
England wanted to maximize production and acquire a bigger market share.
In order to do this England wanted to minimize sugar production by other countries.
England wanted to eliminate the competition, as a cartel or syndicate wants to eliminate competition.
Even if England would technically give the sugar cane cutting slaves freedom, the technical freedom was a mirage.
England did not want to import them to England and enable them to become a part of their country and culture, England wanted them to produce sugar.
The movie may be about a fictitious island named Queimada, but it deals in historical truths.
England did those things to further their own trade, just as political and social issues of today are mixed up with the trade of the big three commodities, oil, weapons, and drugs. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:07 am Post subject: Re: The Real History of Slavery |
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| guavashake wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
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England became the number one opponent of slavery in the 19th Century. The British Navy blockaded the coast of Africa to stop the slave trade.
They put a lot of pressure on other governments to end slavery. Brazil finally ended slavery in the 1880s due to this pressure. |
Not only that but in 1812 whilst at war with both Napoleon and the US, Britain threatened war with Portugese Brazil if they did not stop trading slaves north of the equator.
They also paid Spain and Sweden to stop slaving at the Congress of Vienna. |
Regarding this aspect of history, and the OP comment...
"England became the number one opponent of slavery in the 19th Century. The British Navy blockaded the coast of Africa to stop the slave trade.
They put a lot of pressure on other governments to end slavery.
Brazil finally ended slavery in the 1880s due to this pressure."
There is more to the story.
England may have done those things, but WHY did England do those things?
The answer may be found by watching a movie starring Marlon Brando, BURN!
BURN! (AKA Queimada)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4q_j8qChA
The time is the mid-19th century and the setting is the fictitious island of Queimada, a Portuguese sugar colony in the Caribbean.
To further their own trade, the British send to Queimada a secret agent, Sir William Walker (Marlon Brando),
to preach independence and greed to the plantation owners and to teach revolution and freedom to the slaves.
Largely with the help of Jose Dolores (Evaristo Marquez), whom he first meets as a dock porter, Sir William is triumphantly successful.
The Portuguese are removed and the independent nation of Queimada is established with the support of the British Antilles Sugar Company.
The answer to the question is to further their own trade. England did those things to further their own trade.
England was a purveyor of commodities, sugar, opium, etc.
In this case, England wanted to monopolize the production and distribution of sugar.
England wanted to maximize production and acquire a bigger market share.
In order to do this England wanted to minimize sugar production by other countries.
England wanted to eliminate the competition, as a cartel or syndicate wants to eliminate competition.
Even if England would technically give the sugar cane cutting slaves freedom, the technical freedom was a mirage.
England did not want to import them to England and enable them to become a part of their country and culture, England wanted them to produce sugar.
The movie may be about a fictitious island named Queimada, but it deals in historical truths.
England did those things to further their own trade, just as political and social issues of today are mixed up with the trade of the big three commodities, oil, weapons, and drugs. |
It is undeniable that trade and power politics played a role in Britain's abolition and subsequent fight against slavery, but the problem you have made for yourself is that you are now trying to argue that trade was the sole reason.
That ignores the role of the abolition movement, William Wilberforce and Charles Fox. Slavery has been illegal in England for close to 900 years and so even at that time they knew it was a heinous act.
The campaign to end first the trade and then the practice in the colonies mobilised a global movement and gained huge political influence. At the both the General Election and the Commons vote on the 1807 bill abolitionists won with huge majorities.
It would be wrong to say that Britain's stance on slavery was 100% pure and noble, but similarly it would be wrong to suggest that it was only because of trade and self interest. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:14 am Post subject: Re: The Real History of Slavery |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
| Slavery has been illegal in England for close to 900 years and so even at that time they knew it was a heinous act. |
England established slavery in its colonies much more recently than that. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:29 am Post subject: Re: The Real History of Slavery |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| Slavery has been illegal in England for close to 900 years and so even at that time they knew it was a heinous act. |
England established slavery in its colonies much more recently than that. |
Sorry, I meant that slavery had been illegal in England for the last 900 years-ish.
The colonies whilst administered by Britain or one of the companies did indeed establish slavery, they did not operate within England itself.
It was very much an out of sight out of mind thing for the British. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:56 am Post subject: Re: The Real History of Slavery |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
The colonies whilst administered by Britain or one of the companies did indeed establish slavery, they did not operate within England itself.
It was very much an out of sight out of mind thing for the British. |
This, along with England's direct hand in the business, suggests that they were repulsed by the presence of the slave in their capital rather than the institution itself. |
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