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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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 Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Living in South Korea with Mental Illness |
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| sligo wrote: |
To be in a situation without support from professionals or medication is putting you, and those around you at risk should you have "an episode". |
Professionals and their drugs are putting people at risk.
Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Killing 225,000 People Every Year
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/07/30/doctors-death-part-one.aspx#! |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Living in South Korea with Mental Illness |
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So how should we treat something like Schizophrenia? |
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sligo
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Living in South Korea with Mental Illness |
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What a crock of shit. 2 things, 1, i never mentioned doctors, i said "Professionals" and 2, here are the death figures from your website:
12,000 -- unnecessary surgery
7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals
20,000 -- other errors in hospitals
80,000 -- infections in hospitals
106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs
119,000 are related to a stay in hospital/surgery, and the rest are down the individual's response to drugs (allergy etc)
So based on your post, having a professional for support, and continuing to take the drug that the OP has already stated made him feel amazing, will not cause any problems at all. That is unless he has some unnecessary surgery! |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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I used to be a drug rep for a major pharma company. One of my drugs which I sold was a schizo/bi-polar drug. There wasn't a week that went by that I wasn't thanked (often tearfully) by a patient or a family member for the improvement that drug made in their lives. Sure there are some people who don't do well on certain drugs...but these drugs do help a lot of people.
When you start talking about a major disorder like what OP is talking about...what is the alternative? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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To the OP: First of all, ignore those who are trolling for their own personal pleasure. That kind of behavior is common on this site.
Second, I very much recommend that you see a doctor. Try to find one that speaks decent English. You should have a doctor assess your current mental health and discuss what options might be the best. I would do this ASAP. Please don't put this off. Once you see a doctor try to make a plan with him or her as to what treatment you will take part in and stick with it.
Third, yes you are right you can trust no one at work. You probably need to try to make friends with a few Koreans outside of work. If you can get some friends who are open-minded and understanding you may be able to share your struggles with them. As far as I know I have never heard of anyone having a problem with taking medication and it being detected during a physical examination.
Make use of the mental health sticky at the top of the GD forum as that has good information in it. If worse comes to worse and you are anywhere near Bucheon or Incheon let me know and I maybe able to point you to a doctor. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:11 am Post subject: Re: Living in South Korea with Mental Illness |
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| sligo wrote: |
What a crock of shit.
So based on your post, having a professional for support, and continuing to take the drug that the OP has already stated made him feel amazing, will not cause any problems at all. |
Maybe you're right...
http://www.cchr.org/sites/default/files/The_Side_Effects_of_Common_Psychiatric_Drugs.pdf
http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychoticsideeffects/
GENERAL WARNINGS AND STUDIES ON ANTIPSYCHOTICS:
2001: The Journal of Toxicology reported that the newer antipsychotics “will soon account
for the majority of poisonings from antipsychotic agents that get presented to health care
facilities in the U.S.”88 Researchers found “seizures are uncommonly associated with
atypical [new] antipsychotic agents following both therapeutic doses and overdoses….
[T]he ingestion of a single tablet of clozapine (Clozaril), olanzapine (Zyprexa) and
risperidone (Risperidal) may cause significant toxicity in a toddler. Ataxia (involuntary
muscular movement), confusions, EPS (extrapyramidal symptoms—nerve damage), coma
and respiratory arrest have been reported following ingestion of 50-200mg of clozapine
in toddlers.”89
September 2003: The FDA requested the makers of six newer antipsychotic drugs add
a caution to their labeling language about the potential risk of diabetes and blood sugar
abnormalities.90
June 2004: The Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration published an Adverse
Drug Reactions Bulletin reporting that the newer antipsychotics could increase the risk of
diabetes.91
September 22, 2005: Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman of Columbia University and other researchers
published a study in The New England Journal of Medicine that compared the older
generation of antipsychotics with several newer ones. Far from proving effectiveness, of
the 1,493 patients who participated, 74% discontinued taking antipsychotic drugs before
the end of their treatment due to inefficacy, intolerable side effects or other reasons. After
18 months of taking Zyprexa, 64% of the patients stopped taking it—most commonly
because it caused sleepiness, weight gain or neurological symptoms like stiffness and
tremors.92
December 1, 2005: Researchers found that 18% of nearly 23,000 elderly patients taking
the older antipsychotics died within the first six months of taking them.93
May 2, 2006: USA Today released the results of an analysis of FDA data that showed at
least 45 children died between 2000 and 2004 from the side effects of antipsychotic drugs
(Clozaril, Risperdal, Zyprexa, Seroquel, Abilify and Geodon). Despite an adults-only
FDA approval for these drugs, according to the USA Today, up to 2.5 million children
were prescribed them. As the FDA’s Adverse Drug Reactions reporting database only
collects 1% to 10% of drug-induced side effects and reported deaths, the true child death
rate could be between 450 and several thousand. Further, there were 1,328 reports of other
side effects, some life-threatening, such as convulsions and low white blood cell count.94
January 5, 2008: The Lancet (Britain) published a study where the authors concluded
“that the routine prescription of antipsychotic drugs early in the management of aggressive
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challenging behavior, even in low doses, should no longer be regarded as a satisfactory
form of care.”95
April 2008: The American Geriatrics Society published a study entitled, “Antipsychotic
Drug Use and Risk of Pneumonia in Elderly People,” which reviewed 22,944 elderly
people with at least one antipsychotic prescription. The results of the study showed that
“antipsychotics were associated with an almost 60% increase in the risk of pneumonia…”
concluding that elderly people are at greater risk of pneumonia, especially during the first
week of antipsychotic drug treatment.96
April 9, 2008: Pharmacoepidemiology and Drug Safety published a study entitled, “The
use of central nervous system [CNS] drugs and analgesics [painkillers] among very
old people with and without dementia.” The study compared the use of CNS drugs in
people aged 85 years or older, with and without dementia and concluded: “[T]he use of
antipsychotics in people with dementia should arouse particular concern, because of the
high risk of severe adverse events and the limited evidence of positive effects.”97
May 26, 2008: The Archives of Internal Medicine published a study about “Antipsychotic
Therapy and Short-term Serious Events in Older Adults With Dementia” that found:
“Serious events…are frequent following the short-term use of antipsychotic drugs in
older adults with dementia. Antipsychotic drugs should be used with caution even when
short-term therapy is being prescribed.”98
June 2008: The FDA issued a warning to healthcare professionals that conventional and
atypical antipsychotics are associated with an increased risk of mortality in elderly patients
treated for dementia-related psychosis. It specified that antipsychotics are not indicated
for the treatment of this condition. Additionally, the FDA required the manufacturers of
these drugs to add a boxed warning about this risk to the prescribing information. Older,
conventional antipsychotics were also to carry a “black box” warning about an increased
risk of death in some elderly people.99
WARNINGS ON SPECIFIC ANTIPSYCHOTICS:
ABILIFY (aripiprazole):
Abilify and other antipsychotic drugs have caused a potentially fatal condition called
neuroleptic malignant syndrome. Patients who develop this may have high fevers, muscle
rigidity, altered mental status, irregular pulse or blood pressure, rapid heart rate, excessive
sweating, and heart arrhythmias (irregularities).100
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Body temperature regulation—disruption of the body’s ability to reduce core body
temperature—has been attributed to antipsychotic agents such as Abilify.101
April 2003: The U.S. consumer advocacy group Public Citizen conducted a review of
information published on Abilify, basing their evaluation primarily on publicly available
FDA reviews of information submitted by the manufacturer to gain FDA approval for
Abilify. Approval was based on five trials only lasting four to six weeks. According to
Public Citizen, “…nothing in these five trials can lead one to believe that aripiprazole
(Abilify) is a meaningful advancement in the treatment of schizophrenia.”102
The information insert on Abilify lists hyperglycemia (abnormally high blood sugar—
usually associated with diabetes), hypoglycemia (abnormally low blood sugar) and diabetes
as possible side effects.103
Clozaril (clozapine):
May 2008: Medsafe (New Zealand) posted a prescriber update called “Clozapine and
Achy Breaky Hearts” warning that Clozapine can cause myocarditis [inflammation of the
heart muscle] that may be fatal. It was also associated with cardiomyopathy [disease of
the heart muscle]. While risk factors are unknown, pre-treatment cardiovascular screening
was recommended.104
May 2008: Medsafe posted their June 2008 “Watching Briefs,” a report in which they
included a warning: “Use of clozapine in older patients carries a higher risk of adverse
reactions such as postural hypotension [low blood pressure], falls, sedation and constipation,
compared to use in younger patients. Therefore, increased clinical monitoring of the elderly
is necessary to ensure their safety.”105
Haldol (haloperidol):
September 17, 2007: The FDA issued an alert to Healthcare Professionals about
haloperidol (marketed as Haldol), stating: “Due to a number of case reports of sudden
death, TdP [Torsades de Pointes] and QT prolongation [TdP and QT prolongation are types
of heart abnormalities] in patients treated with haloperidol (especially when the drug is
given intravenously or at doses higher than recommended), the sponsor has updated the
labeling for haloperidol.” ECG [Electrocardiogram—a graphical recording of the cardiac
cycle produced by a special machine, a.k.a. EKG] monitoring was recommended if
haloperidol is given intravenously, even though haloperidol is not approved for intravenous
administration.106
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ZYPREXA (olanzapine):
July 22, 2005: Eli Lilly & Co., the manufacturer of Zyprexa, agreed to pay $1.07 billion
to settle more than 8,000 claims against the drug, alleging it could potentially cause lifethreatening
diabetes.107
September 22, 2005: Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman of Columbia University and other researchers
published a study in The New England Journal of Medicine comparing an older generation
of antipsychotics with several newer ones.108 After 18 months of taking Zyprexa, 64%
of the patients stopped taking it, most often because it was not well tolerated and caused
sleepiness, weight gain or neurological symptoms like stiffness and tremors.109
October 5, 2007: Eli Lilly issued an important Safety Information update on its website
and product labels for Zyprexa and Symbyax (combination of Zyprexa and fluoxetine, or
Prozac) warning of the risk of weight gain, hyperglycemia (increased blood sugar) and
hyperlipidemia (elevated fats in the blood and cholesterol).110
2008: The current Zyprexa Safety Information includes a “black box” warning of increased
risk of death in elderly patients with dementia, as well as the following warnings: High level
of fats in the blood, weight gain, high blood sugar, “strokes and ‘mini strokes’ (in elderly
people with dementia); neuroleptic malignant syndrome; tardive dyskinesia; low blood
pressure; seizures; trouble with judgment, thinking, and reflexes; trouble swallowing; body
temperature problems…and “this is not a complete list….” |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| Hokie21 wrote: |
| I used to be a drug rep for a major pharma company. |
EX-PHARMA SALES REP SPEAKS: WE ARE TRAINED TO MISINFORM; THE DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTMg6vWIoLM |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:11 am Post subject: |
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I can honestly say I was never told to lie and we were also obligated to inform our doctors not to prescribe things for off-label uses. A lot of my doctors worked with elderly patients with pretty severe mental health problems. Whenever they would say they were using the drug to help their patients sleep I would have to again inform them that our product wasn't indicated for that and that I couldn't promote it under those circumstances.
Now, were we lied to from our own management? Possibly. But I never worked with a rep who knowingly misinformed a doctor. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Hokie21: You're wasting your time citing facts and even what the legal consequences are for pharmacy reps and doctors for doing what guavashake says they all do. He has the anti-medicine zeal of a Scientologist or Jenny McCarthy. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:45 am Post subject: |
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http://ssristories.org/
SSRI Stories is a collection of over 6,000 stories that have appeared in the media (newspapers, TV, scientific journals) in which prescription drugs were mentioned and in which the drugs may be linked to a variety of adverse outcomes including violence.
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guavashake
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Hokie21: You're wasting your time citing facts and even what the legal consequences are for pharmacy reps and doctors for doing what guavashake says they all do. He has the anti-medicine zeal of a Scientologist or Jenny McCarthy. |
Haha yup you're right CC. His cure for mental illness is most likely a tin foil hat. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Hokie21: You're wasting your time citing facts |
He didn't cite any facts.
Here are more M.D.s , J.D.s and numerous others citing facts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQIA1bEY0WA
War On Health -- How Pharmaceutical Companies Slaughter Tens of Thousands of Americans Each Year |
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