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 Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:32 am Post subject: Chicago Police |
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The Corrupt System that Killed Laquan McDonald
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Thanks to clear video evidence, Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke was charged this week with first-degree murder for shooting 17-year-old Laquan McDonald. Nevertheless, thousands of people took to the city’s streets on Friday in protest. And that is as it should be.
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[T]hat dash-cam footage was suppressed for more than a year by authorities citing an investigation. “There was no mystery, no dead-end leads to pursue, no ambiguity about who fired the shots,” Eric Zorn wrote in The Chicago Tribune. “Who was pursuing justice and the truth? What were they doing? Who were they talking to? With whom were they meeting? What were they trying to figure out for 400 days?”
There is no doubt that Officer Van Dyke acted badly. As he faces murder charges, there remains a need to demand accountability for the Chicagoans complicit in the injustice he perpetrated.
The New York Times unearthed a stunning anecdote last week about one Chicago cop’s record:
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In 18 years with the Chicago Police Department, the nation’s second-largest, Jerome Finnigan had never been disciplined — although 68 citizen complaints had been lodged against him, including accusations that he used excessive force and regularly conducted illegal searches.
Then, in 2011, he admitted to robbing criminal suspects while serving in an elite police unit and ordering a hit on a fellow police officer he thought intended to turn him in. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison. “My bosses knew what I was doing out there, and it went on and on,” he said in court when he pleaded guilty. “And this wasn’t the exception to the rule. This was the rule.” |
The newspaper then zoomed out, citing data on officer complaints liberated by several non-profit groups that had to fight for a decade to get it released. The full context is more stunning:
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...the data for 2015 shows that in more than 99 percent of the thousands of misconduct complaints against Chicago police officers, there has been no discipline. From 2011 to 2015, 97 percent of more than 28,500 citizen complaints resulted in no officer being punished, according to the files.
Although very few officers were disciplined in the years covered by the data, African-American officers were punished at twice the rate of their white colleagues for the same offenses, the data shows. And although black civilians filed a majority of the complaints, white civilians were far more likely to have their complaints upheld, according to the records. |
In short, Chicago does an atrocious job of identifying and disciplining bad cops. |
Nobody should be surprised, at least not following the Homan Square revelations. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Chicago is called 'The Mississippi of the north' for a reason. The housing discrimination is legendary. Goes back decades since the great migration of the WW2 era. Red lining, etc. lack of union jobs at the time, etc. made the present crime rate what it is. Even saying so the media over emphasizes the crime rate. The murder rate in the mid to late 90s was almost twice as much. Crime across the nation is down to about 20 year lows but you don't hear anyone talking about it.
There will be a 'last straw' event. Maybe this is it, maybe something else. It can't go on forever. Its been a corrupt city for a while. The mayor's office and the DA all have a hand in this murder.
Social media has made organizing much easier from disparate places and various incidents. Changing demographics, the electronic age, young black millennniels who aren't going to be doing the march and pray thing anymore. It will come grow to something..what, I have no idea but its not going to go down easy. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Rahm Emanuel Feels the Heat
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So on Wednesday, [Mayor Emanuel] gave a 40-minute speech to the City Council, apologizing for McDonald’s death and vowing changes. (Officer Jason Van Dyke has been charged with first-degree murder in the shooting, the first such charge for an on-duty Chicago cop in decades.)
“If we’re going to fix it, I want you to understand it’s my responsibility with you," Emanuel said, according to the Chicago Tribune. “But if we’re also going to begin the healing process, the first step in that journey is my step, and I’m sorry.” |
Kelsey Grammar could not be reached for comment. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Rahm is toast. I actually think he is against the corruption and such but the Chicago machine is seemingly intractable and you need it to get elected. The alderman system they have. Chicago has a host of problems and its something that permeates all aspects of life, none of them good for Blacks there. Housing discrimination is massive. The schools suck. The police department obviously is more than corrupt, its actively killing and targeting blacks, including torture. The gangs are rampant and there is a priest there who has been fighting to stop the trafficking of suburban gun shops from feeding the gangs guns through middle men. Its a big mess there and simply changing the mayor and PD chief won't solve it. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Rahm is definitely facing protests.
http://www.vox.com/2015/12/17/10423744/rahm-emanuel-resignation-chicago-mayor
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To the protesters, his crime is one of flagrant abdication of morality, rather than any particular action that could spur his removal from office. Their anger, foisted into national prominence by the Black Lives Matter movement, has adopted the mayor as a symbol of white, corporate interests — one that has further segregated the city through school closings and police brutality.
Activists and political observers alike think it’s unlikely the mayor will resign — this is the man who once mailed a political opponent a dead fish, after all — unless new evidence implicating his involvement in a cover-up surfaces. Rep. Ford’s recall bill was dead on arrival in the state legislature, where Emanuel allies populate the top ranks.
But from this vantage point, it’s hard to see the mayor’s way forward. More than three weeks after the video’s release, Chicago is still embroiled in protests, which continue to make daily headlines. For his part, Emanuel has been making few public appearances.
The Chicago Teachers Union, which has its own issues with the mayor, voted once more to strike this week.
A recent poll taken by the Chicago Observer found that 51 percent of Chicagoans want their mayor to resign, and only 18 percent approve of the job he’s doing — a record low for Emanuel’s tenure.
In order to move forward, Emanuel will need to win back some of the trust he has forfeited, though activists can’t even name specific actions they would accept as peace offerings. Other political watchers say it’s possible Emanuel will just cruise through the worst of the protests until anger begins to fade.
Whatever else can be said about the man, though, it’s clear that he has an uncanny ability to weather turbulent storms — and there’s little reason to believe this time will be different. |
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Brooks
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Chicago is the symbol of American apartheid.
We want to think the country is better than that, but it is not.
White flight and segregation. Poverty and crime. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Its more than that for Chicago. its possible one of the worse of the northern cities in terms of history, scope and acts. Its bad. As stated before, it was nicknamed the Mississippi of the north for how the institutions treated blacks. Especially housing. There is an article in the Atlantic that had a detailed excerpt of just how pervasive it was. |
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Kepler
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| If the knife wielding druggie had been gunned down by another criminal of the same race (something that is statistically much more likely to happen) we probably would not even be reading about this. There would be no protests. BLM would be silent. Police corruption may be involved but not necessarily racism. There are plenty of examples of white people being mistreated by the police. |
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Brooks
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Kepler wrote: |
| If the knife wielding druggie had been gunned down by another criminal of the same race (something that is statistically much more likely to happen) we probably would not even be reading about this. There would be no protests. BLM would be silent. Police corruption may be involved but not necessarily racism. There are plenty of examples of white people being mistreated by the police. |
Of course the problem goes far beyond racism.
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In 18 years with the Chicago Police Department, the nation’s second-largest, Jerome Finnigan had never been disciplined — although 68 citizen complaints had been lodged against him, including accusations that he used excessive force and regularly conducted illegal searches.
Then, in 2011, he admitted to robbing criminal suspects while serving in an elite police unit and ordering a hit on a fellow police officer he thought intended to turn him in. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison. “My bosses knew what I was doing out there, and it went on and on,” he said in court when he pleaded guilty. “And this wasn’t the exception to the rule. This was the rule.” |
This is about a lack of accountability at the most fundamental level. |
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Titus2
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Brooks wrote: |
Chicago is the symbol of American apartheid.
We want to think the country is better than that, but it is not.
White flight and segregation. Poverty and crime. |
There are areas north of the Loop that are quite nice, though still plagued with black crime. The city is about 30% Mexican, and they're segregated as all hell (see: https://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/5560488484 ) and very poor compared to the white/Asian/Jew population and the Mexicans don't cause anything near the chaos the blacks do.
America is a vibrantly diverse country. If you want to have proper cities in a vibrantly diverse country you will need aggressive segregation. The other option is Detroit, Baltimore, Birmingham, etc.
The police in Chicago do not kill black people anywhere near the numbers that black people kill other people. Not even close. It's not even worth a mention.
White people have a very strange relationship with blacks. Either we regard them a mystical victims or deranged savages. They are who they are. They are to be avoided and their impact on us and themselves minimized. It is what it is. |
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trueblue
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| Titus2 wrote: |
| Brooks wrote: |
Chicago is the symbol of American apartheid.
We want to think the country is better than that, but it is not.
White flight and segregation. Poverty and crime. |
There are areas north of the Loop that are quite nice, though still plagued with black crime. The city is about 30% Mexican, and they're segregated as all hell (see: https://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/5560488484 ) and very poor compared to the white/Asian/Jew population and the Mexicans don't cause anything near the chaos the blacks do.
America is a vibrantly diverse country. If you want to have proper cities in a vibrantly diverse country you will need aggressive segregation. The other option is Detroit, Baltimore, Birmingham, etc.
The police in Chicago do not kill black people anywhere near the numbers that black people kill other people. Not even close. It's not even worth a mention.
White people have a very strange relationship with blacks. Either we regard them a mystical victims or deranged savages. They are who they are. They are to be avoided and their impact on us and themselves minimized. It is what it is. |
Careful...someone might call you racist..despite being right. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| trueblue wrote: |
| Titus2 wrote: |
| Brooks wrote: |
Chicago is the symbol of American apartheid.
We want to think the country is better than that, but it is not.
White flight and segregation. Poverty and crime. |
There are areas north of the Loop that are quite nice, though still plagued with black crime. The city is about 30% Mexican, and they're segregated as all hell (see: https://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/5560488484 ) and very poor compared to the white/Asian/Jew population and the Mexicans don't cause anything near the chaos the blacks do.
America is a vibrantly diverse country. If you want to have proper cities in a vibrantly diverse country you will need aggressive segregation. The other option is Detroit, Baltimore, Birmingham, etc.
The police in Chicago do not kill black people anywhere near the numbers that black people kill other people. Not even close. It's not even worth a mention.
White people have a very strange relationship with blacks. Either we regard them a mystical victims or deranged savages. They are who they are. They are to be avoided and their impact on us and themselves minimized. It is what it is. |
Careful...someone might call you racist..despite being right. |
I find it funny that there is some unintended truth in this depending on how you read it due to Trueblue's ambiguous phrasing. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Titus2 wrote: |
The police in Chicago do not kill black people anywhere near the numbers that black people kill other people. Not even close. It's not even worth a mention.
White people have a very strange relationship with blacks. Either we regard them a mystical victims or deranged savages. They are who they are. They are to be avoided and their impact on us and themselves minimized. It is what it is. |
So what? ALL races kill each other, whites, latinos, etc. in similar percentages. This black on black crime argument is great UNTIL they get challenged. Black on black crime , though sad is NOT unique. Second, the system helped create the numbers we see. Third, its poor people killing poor people, the same scenario throughout history. Poor irish mobsters preyed on poor irish citizens. the members of the Italian mafia were dirt poor and made money off poor fellow Italians and we glorify it in books and movies. Yet, blacks do the same exact thing and they are thugs. So, don't do anything about cops who willfully murder people based on race? lastly, two different, unequal arguments. Cops are paid for by our tax dollars and by blacks with their tax dollars to protect them. So, we know who those murderers are. The blacks who kill other blacks when they are known they are punished...severely. Cops aren't. End of that tired, old deflective argument.
Chicago created the environment for generational poverty with proven decades of housing, job, education and law enforcement discrimination. The very SAME dynamics that led to the irish, jews, Italians and to a lesser extent other immigrant groups to do the same exact thing decades ago. formed gangs and preyed on each other.
There is an exact correlation and I bring it up and you and others who bring up this black on black crime excuse and deflection seem to avoid the similarities.
Blacks neither asked for nor created social welfare, public housing, etc. we funneled them into knowing it would create this mess. Then blame the very victims of it when it works.
You get rid of so called black crime by providing the same access to resources as everyone else and move them into the working and middle classes. Its a fact, the black middle class doesn't have anywhere near the same crime rate as the black poor. However, you try and make out like they are some how unique.
America brought them here to toil for a few hundred years of free labor. Then you say, we can't live them...oh the sweet irony.
I take it you don't teach in Korea...and if you do its a scary thought, there are lurkers on these forums. Anyway, there has to be at least a few thousand blacks teaching in korea. Not a peep out of them in terms of crime. Save the odd case or two and its no more or less than anyone else but its not even worth mentioning. So, if they are so bent on crime where is the black teacher crime wave in Korea, Japan and China? There isn't one. Which disproves your point.
I at least applaud you for being honest about your bigotry. I say that in earnestness. At least you don't hide behind by using other means. |
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Titus2
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| None of the assertions above can be substantiated by crime data collected by the gov. |
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