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| How will the DJT Presidency be regarded? |
| Greatened America |
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38% |
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33% |
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8% |
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19% |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Haven't posted here in awhle but always catch up.
On Trump's agenda:
1. Legalize sports betting (taken away during Bush admin)
2. Deregulate the internet.
3. Public buy-in option for health care (keep Cigma)
4. Raise miminum wage to above each state's poverty level.
5. Implement a marijuana legalization task force (with fed and local police force input). |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Huh?
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Anyway, looks like Trump is moderating (i.e. flip-flopping on) a lot of his campaign rhetoric. Seems smart to do that immediately and almost across the board. He is going to be caught between conservatives and the popular (vote) opposition.
I think he is going to have to build that wall. Also a spark of genius (luck?) that this lynchpin of his policy program already has congressional authorization.
Maybe Trump should look abroad for support. I do think if he drops sanctions on Russia, in exchange for almost anything (even mere scraps), it may allow him to claim a quick foreign policy success. He has got to respect the emoluments clause, though, while he does this. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm enjoying the increasing hysteria about "fake news." Watching professional journalists who aggressively pushed an outcome for this election respond to their failure by declaring all non-"mainstream" news to be Russian propaganda is more than a little funny. To be entirely honest, I'm not familiar with most of the sites on their "blacklist," but I see Wikileaks on there, which is both unsurprising and absurd, and Naked Capitalism is also a decent blog. I've never really read the "Ron Paul Institute," but if it has any association with the actual Ron Paul, it's hard to imagine that it's some sort of Russian propaganda machine. In fact, the list seems to label any site which aggressively pushes back against needless warfare and antagonizing foreign countries as "Russian propaganda," even listing one of the criteria for detecting "Russian propaganda" as concern about potential nuclear war:
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| How dangerous standing up to Russia would be: It would inevitably result in "World War 3", nuclear devastation, etc, and regardless of who shot first or is bombing civilians where now, would be the West's fault. Russian propaganda never suggests it would just result in a Cold War 2 and Russia's eventual peaceful defeat, like the last time. |
If, "You must despise Russia and support anti-Russian antagonism," is the standard demanded when the preferred candidate of this "independent team of concerned American citizens" lost, what would we be looking at had she won? And is that "YYYnameYYY" marking-system they propose supposed to be a variant of the "(((name)))" marks Swartz used to use to mark Jewish people? |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:44 am Post subject: |
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I am going to risk veering off-topic (perhaps since there's no longer a proper place for off-topic anyway)
| Fox wrote: |
I'm enjoying the increasing hysteria about "fake news." Watching professional journalists who aggressively pushed an outcome for this election respond to their failure by declaring all non-"mainstream" news to be Russian propaganda is more than a little funny. To be entirely honest, I'm not familiar with most of the sites on their "blacklist," but I see Wikileaks on there, which is both unsurprising and absurd, and Naked Capitalism is also a decent blog. I've never really read the "Ron Paul Institute," but if it has any association with the actual Ron Paul, it's hard to imagine that it's some sort of Russian propaganda machine. In fact, the list seems to label any site which aggressively pushes back against needless warfare and antagonizing foreign countries as "Russian propaganda," even listing one of the criteria for detecting "Russian propaganda" as concern about potential nuclear war:
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| How dangerous standing up to Russia would be: It would inevitably result in "World War 3", nuclear devastation, etc, and regardless of who shot first or is bombing civilians where now, would be the West's fault. Russian propaganda never suggests it would just result in a Cold War 2 and Russia's eventual peaceful defeat, like the last time. |
If, "You must despise Russia and support anti-Russian antagonism," is the standard demanded when the preferred candidate of this "independent team of concerned American citizens" lost, what would we be looking at had she won? |
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/11/were-under-attack.html
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Over Thanksgiving weekend, the Washington Post legitimated a thin, amateurish site whose principals have libeled not only Naked Capitalism but also Ron Paul’s institute, former Reagan Administration officials David Stockman and Paul Craig Roberts, well-respected progressive stalwarts, such as Counterpunch, Truthout, TruthDig, and Black Agenda Report, as supposed Russian propaganda outlets with foreign “coordinators.” Moreover, with no supporting evidence whatsoever, this site called for everyone on its list to be investigated by the FBI and DoJ for Espionage Act violations.
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We’ve been contacted privately by seasoned journalists and political insiders after the Washington Post’s smear campaign, and most said that Naked Capitalism was on the hit list because it was influential and not on board with official Beltway narratives. |
To bring it back to topic, it is sad how Clinton went McCarthyite against a McCarthyite - Roger Stone and Roy Cohn literally connect Trump directly to McCarthy. Maybe that is part of why she lost (by negative two and a half million votes and counting). |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Trump now trolling the CCP.
http://www.atimes.com/article/trump-rails-china-taiwan-phone-call/
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| “Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into their country (the US doesn’t tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea? I don’t think so!” |
Meanwhile, the administration's policy whisperer, Pence, says it ain't no thang.
To be honest, using the bully pulpit to create uncertainty in China-US trade and business ties will be more effective than trying to crack the lock of the WTO. Plus, I think Trump is right; its better for him to appear loud and disruptive than actually try to accomplish anything constructive. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Trump is such a big liar, so dangerously ignorant, and so ominously authoritarian that his future legacy will probably be abysmal in most respects ... |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| The election was tainted by Russian influence ... |
If Mr. Trump could actually bring about an end to the American establishment's infatuation with antagonizing Russia, that would be a potentially positive element of his legacy. That seems to be the primary concern of the American warmonger establishment (of which Mrs. Clinton was a part): the fear that America might not be successfully drug into a new cold war era for the sake of perpetuating American military adventurism now that we're running out of nations we can excuse throwing into chaos on the basis of a "war on terror." Sufficiently desperate that, now that Dr. Stein's recall campaign seems to be petering out without having found anything which can be framed as proof or Russian guilt, President Obama now seems to be going for a Hail Mary pass in ordering American intelligence organizations to scour the electoral system in hopes of finding something, anything.
Anyone with any affection for peace and stability should logically see a thawing of relations between America and Russia as desirable. They don't have to be our enemy, just like China doesn't have to be our enemy. It's a choice between geopolitical gamesmanship and human lives. |
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Rteacher
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Free and fair elections are foundational to American ideals. If Russia in fact used hackers and other surreptitious means to try to determine the outcome of the U.S. Presidential election ... |
And the breeding of this thought is exactly why Cold War rhetoric is being invoked: in order to delegitimize an election. Embarrassing emails streamed out about Mrs. Clinton and the DNC, and they seemed to be genuine, so instead of grappling with those revelations, her campaign tried to deflect onto Russia. Now they're trying to do the exact same thing with the entire election. They'll say, "It's not about who won, it's about the integrity of the election," but does anyone seriously believe that President Obama would be ordering that "audit" if Clinton was President elect? That Dr. Stein would be freaking out about recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania if Clinton had carried those states? By casting a shadow over the election, the parties in question can simultaneously delegitimize Mr. Trump and fear monger about Russia - two birds with one stone. Yes, if Russia hackers genuinely tampered with our voting machines somehow, that would be serious. But if not -- and so far there seems to be no evidence that it is so, which is part of why Dr. Stein's recount drive has puttered out -- then all of this has been slander on a geopolitical scale, and the aggrieved parties would be both the winner of the legitimate election and the country being falsely accused. Are you prepared to entertain the notion that it's the people doing your thinking for you on this matter who are the ones "incompatible with objectively ascertainable truth?" Or have you adopted a partisanship so deep and unshakable as to be committed to "your side," right or wrong?
Regarding the poll done by a polling agency explicitly allied with the Democratic Party which was released exclusively to a tv show host explicitly in the service of the Democratic Party's agenda, yes, no doubt Republican voters have their blind spots. It looks like they are not alone in that. It's a shame to see, "Our country is so divided, we must strive for unity," immediately devolve back into, "The other party is full of idiots, here's the poll to prove it," right after the election, to say nothing of, "Before the election, our candidate and her surrogates were explicitly attacking the other party's candidate for refusing to unconditionally accept the results, but now that our candidate lost, we don't trust the system and demand it be scoured for proof of evil Russian tampering." |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Hillary was certainly no angel with respect to playing fair vs. Bernie, but most of the Benghazi stuff had no substance. It's also likely that some of the hacked emails were doctored, per Russian KBG disinformation methods.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/oct/23/are-clinton-wikileaks-emails-doctored-or-are-they-/
It's true that American democracy has largely been eclipsed by the oligarchy of giant corporate interests that has gotten worse since the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision, and even MSNBC - owned by Comcast - seemed more interested in promoting Trump, thereby profiting more from higher ratings. The idea of an election re-do that would generate more huge profits might be something that they would all get behind (regardless of chaotic consequences...)
Although Trump has spoken against the Citizens United decision, he has also vowed to replace Justice Scalia with someone with very similar views, and he appointed a former head of Citizens United as his deputy campaign manager ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
.http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-bossie-citizens-united-227662
My main reservation about Donald Trump is that he's not intellectually fit enough to avoid being manipulated by bullies that are even worse than he is ... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Trump had real low-hanging fruit with Carrier. His VeeP policy whisperer is Governor in Indiana, and he had a clear jobs mandate. So how did he Curial it up this time?
He announced 1,100 jobs saved. Imagine the disappointment and cynicism at the plant when 370 of those found it was only 730 jobs saved. Well, the local 1999 union boss gave an interview and a correction. Trump attacked him as terrible, and this is my favorite part, demands that he "work more, talk less." Ya hear that: More substance, less salesmanship, union guy!
It's gonna be more of this for four years thanks to Les Moonves and Mark Zucker's ratings monster; the slow transformation of America into a giant amusement park as Trump fails to slow the hemorrhaging of manufacturing jobs. Apple and Google can even automate the staff.
America, are you not entertained? |
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Rteacher
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