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trueblue
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 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:15 pm Post subject: European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled |
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit
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European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit
EUROPEAN political chiefs are to take advantage of Brexit by unveiling their long-held plan to morph the continent’s countries into one GIANT SUPERSTATE, it has emerged today.
By NICK GUTTERIDGE
PUBLISHED: 11:01, Mon, Jun 27, 2016 | UPDATED: 17:20, Mon, Jun 27, 2016
The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.
Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.
Controversially member states would also lose what few controls they have left over their own borders, including the procedure for admitting and relocating refugees.
The plot has sparked fury and panic in Poland - a traditional ally of Britain in the fight against federalism - after being leaked to Polish news channel TVP Info.
The public broadcaster reports that the bombshell proposal will be presented to a meeting of the Visegrad group of countries - made up of Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia - by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier later today.
Excerpts of the nine-page report were published today as the leaders of Germany, France and Italy met in Berlin for Brexit crisis talks.
In the preamble to the text the two ministers write: "Our countries share a common destiny and a common set of values ??that give rise to an even closer union between our citizens. We will therefore strive for a political union in Europe and invite the next Europeans to participate in this venture."
The revelations come just days after Britain shook the Brussels establishment by voting to leave the European Union in a move some have predicted could leave to the break-up of the EU.
A number of member states are deeply unhappy about the creeping federalism of the European project with anti-EU sentiments running high in eastern Europe, Scandinavia and France.
Responding to the plot Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski raged: "This is not a good solution, of course, because from the time the EU was invented a lot has changed.
“The mood in European societies is different. Europe and our voters do not want to give the Union over into the hands of technocrats.
“Therefore, I want to talk about this, whether this really is the right recipe right now in the context of a Brexit."
There are deep divides at the heart of the EU at the moment over how to proceed with the project in light of the Brexit vote.
Some figures have cautioned against trying to force through further political integration, warning that to do so against the wishes of the European people will only fuel further Eurosceptic feeling.
few weeks before the Brexit vote European Council president Donald Tusk warned that European citizens did not share the enthusiasm of some of their leaders for “a utopia of Europe without conflicting interests and ambitions, a utopia of Europe imposing its own values on the external world, a utopia of Euro-Asian unity”.
He added: “Increasingly louder are those who question the very principle of a united Europe. The spectre of a break-up is haunting Europe and a vision of a federation doesn’t seem to me to be the best answer to it.”
His view was backed up by the leader of the eurozone countries, Dutch politician Jerome Dijsselbloem, who added: “In the eurozone some are pushing for a completion of the monetary union by creating a full political union, a euro area economic government or even a euro budget… to me it is obvious.
“We need to strengthen what we have and finish it, but let’s not build more extensions to the European house while it is so unstable.”
Meanwhile Lorenzo Condign, the former director general of Italy’s treasury, has said it is nearly impossible to see Europe opting for more integration at such a time of upheaval.
He said: “It seems difficult to imagine that the rest of the EU will close ranks and move in the direction of greater integration quickly. Simply, there is no political will.
“Indeed, the risk is exactly the opposite - namely that centrifugal forces will prevail and make integration even more difficult.”
But others see the Brexit vote as an opportunity to push ahead with the European elite’s long-cherished dream of creating a United States of Europe.
Spain’s foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo has called for “more Europe” whilst Italy’s finance minister, Carlo Padoan, is advocating a common budget for the eurozone states.
And Emmanuel Macron, France’s economy minister, wants to go even further and set up a common eurozone treasury which would oversee the permanent transfer of funds from wealthier northern Europe to shore up Mediterranean economies.
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Leon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| TB, I looked on the homepage of that site and they also have a video about how Elvis is still alive. You have to be a bit less credulous. |
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trueblue
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trueblue
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Plain Meaning
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When South Carolina seceded, and there was an immediate flood of secessions in the South, do you suppose Lincoln could have said, "Let us begin separation as soon as possible?" That has essentially been the EU's response to Brexit.
So, 150 years after the Union prevailed over the Confederacy in a Civil War costing over a million lives, the United States still offers substantial sovereignty to individual states.
The European Superstate will happen as soon as they get around to that dreaded NAFTA superhighway. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| While I'm pro-Leave, the idea that the European Superstate would happen, replacing all the current national governments, is ridiculous. No way that many politicians and bureaucrats give up their positions. You need those so you can curry political favor. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
| When South Carolina seceded, and there was an immediate flood of secessions in the South, do you suppose Lincoln could have said, "Let us begin separation as soon as possible?" That has essentially been the EU's response to Brexit. |
Are you suggesting the EU should have a military force surreptitiously invade and occupy Europe House in London, provoking in the process both a military response by the British and secession of other EU-skeptical nations, and use this as an excuse to initiate full-scale war? Or just that it could happen? |
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Plain Meaning
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Plain Meaning wrote: |
| When South Carolina seceded, and there was an immediate flood of secessions in the South, do you suppose Lincoln could have said, "Let us begin separation as soon as possible?" That has essentially been the EU's response to Brexit. |
Are you suggesting the EU should have a military force surreptitiously invade and occupy Europe House in London, provoking in the process both a military response by the British and secession of other EU-skeptical nations, and use this as an excuse to initiate full-scale war? Or just that it could happen? |
The obvious difference is constitutional. The US Constitution has no escape clause. The EU has Article 50.
This is so far from a superstate that ...
You know what, I would rather have you continue to develop your point. It's probably more interesting than the subject of this thread is, anyway. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Plain Meaning wrote: |
| When South Carolina seceded, and there was an immediate flood of secessions in the South, do you suppose Lincoln could have said, "Let us begin separation as soon as possible?" That has essentially been the EU's response to Brexit. |
Are you suggesting the EU should have a military force surreptitiously invade and occupy Europe House in London, provoking in the process both a military response by the British and secession of other EU-skeptical nations, and use this as an excuse to initiate full-scale war? Or just that it could happen? |
The obvious difference is constitutional. |
Why initiate the comparison then? I was simply helping to fully flesh it out, and perhaps expedite progression towards the condemnation of the British separatists for continuing to fly their flag of treason and hate. |
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