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The Future Legacy of President HRC
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How will the HRC Presidency be regarded?
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Negative and disappointing
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Fallacy



Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:40 am    Post subject: The Future Legacy of President HRC Reply with quote

As the political horizon's blade approaches, impending destiny tempts discussion toward the inevitable, and the associated predictions. Assuming the best/worst is all over, and the elected term(s) finished: What will be the outcome of this honorable/horrific period to historians? Forecast.
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Plain Meaning



Joined: 18 Oct 2014

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What will Congress look like? Who would be in her cabinet? Also, are we really so sure she will be elected? Etc.
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Otus



Joined: 09 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it impossible to make any predictions on that with all that's happening with the Republican party right now.

Granted, Hillary won the upcoming election almost three months ago, but if T comes out on top in Indiana next week, I'd say the whole future of the Republican party looks totally uncertain.

It will be a totally different political landscape in the U.S. The only certainty right now is that Hillary is president elect.
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Fallacy



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:44 pm    Post subject: RE: The Future Legacy of President HRC Reply with quote

Otus wrote:
The only certainty right now is that Hillary is president elect.
This. Now then, fast forward through 4~8 years to the end of the projected term(s). Purely speculation, but the seeds of her legacy are being planted by the GOP implosion right now, and failure will be difficult to avoid no matter who wins. As such, it will be all to easy to regard HRC as having not won the election on her own merits or the attractiveness of the DEM party, but having received the election by default, given to her due only to the excessive and chaotic demerits of the other party. Future analysts will likely point to her high unfavorable polling, and low voter turnout on election day as examples in support of this failing thesis. Any useful accomplishments will be reviewed as desperate and coincidental at best, or credited to others in her cabinet, or other parts of government instead. Thus, HRC will be regarded in history as a circumstantial president, and her legacy will be viewed negatively and largely criticized as disappointing.
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Coltronator



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hillary wish usher in and nurture the Right wing party of the U.S. political system. A new and better right wing party than it has had since at least Eisenhower. She will watch the extreme right party die while finding new challenges from her left.
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Otus



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's getting more interesting now. Hillary would have won what would look like a more orthodox election against Cruz. T initially served his purpose of knocking out any electable candidate and he could have just handed it back to Cruz to take the loss in the general election.

T is now going to take Indiana and secure himself as the nominee, bringing about an all out implosion in the Republican party. It looks like the Democrats want more than just an election victory. T may be instrumental in preventing the totally predictable galvanization of the GOP against Hillary.

If the party is somehow forced to unite behind T, GOP heads will roll in both Houses. That seems weird because they'll usually drop a candidate from their own party like a hot potato if it means keeping their House seats (in the case of Bush Senior).

Obama had a brief period of time with majorities in the legislature, but wisely seemed to play it cool with that. Hillary probably has something quite different in mind; nursing vendettas from what they did to Bill back in the day.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hillary is no sure thing. I give her a moderate edge, but I think Trump has positioned himself very well. He's had his mind on Hillary all along and is ready to take her out. You can see by his opening moves, especially the bait that he dangled with the 'Woman Card' he laid out for Hillary, which she gleefully chomped down on. She'll rue that when debate time comes.
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Otus



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A small fortune could be made finding T supporters and nailing them down to bets. At least they must be convinced he is serious about winning. This will be fun once his nomination is secured.
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hillary will do for gender relations what Obama did for race relations.
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Savant



Joined: 25 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Hillary is no sure thing. I give her a moderate edge, but I think Trump has positioned himself very well. He's had his mind on Hillary all along and is ready to take her out. You can see by his opening moves, especially the bait that he dangled with the 'Woman Card' he laid out for Hillary, which she gleefully chomped down on. She'll rue that when debate time comes.


At debate time, Trump will become eel like and slip through any serious discussion about his policies and resort to his usual sound bites, baiting and name-calling. He tried to appear serious in his recent foreign policy speech but predictably he didn't know crap about anything.
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Otus



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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By this time tomorrow it'll be prima facie one big step closer for HRC. T will have taken Indiana, the GOP will officially be toast in terms of any claim to the executive branch and as a unified party. However,any phoenix could arise out of this. One wonders if it wouldn't have been a safer bet for Democrats to have gotten Cruz on the R ticket.
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Plain Meaning



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps Vice President Sherrod Brown (D-OH).

He has Warren's populist bona fides, but will not suck the air out of the room. He is staunch in his opposition to free trade. But he is Senator in a state held by a Republican governor, so Clinton may pass him over for this reason alone.
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Plain Meaning



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her Vice President will likely be either Vilsack or Kaine (80% certainty). Clinton can actually control Kaine's replacement through her pawn McAuliffe. Either might shore up a half of a percent in terms of voting share in swing states. I prefer Vilsack because Kaine is a another goddamned Harvard Law grad.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If she can win (by no means a sure thing) and win big enough for Democrats to regain control of the Senate (good chance) and House (long shot), then there would be at least be a chance for some positive progress (but I wouldn't bet on it ...)
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plain Meaning wrote:
Her Vice President will likely be either Vilsack or Kaine (80% certainty). Clinton can actually control Kaine's replacement through her pawn McAuliffe. Either might shore up a half of a percent in terms of voting share in swing states. I prefer Vilsack because Kaine is a another goddamned Harvard Law grad.


If she goes with Kaine, she will basically affirm she's about as predictable and risk-adverse a politician as we've ever seen. Those aren't good traits for someone going against the Trumpster.
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