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vladivostok and kamchatka for the vacation?
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ohahakehte



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:01 am    Post subject: vladivostok and kamchatka for the vacation? Reply with quote

i might be going there...anyone else?
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JacktheCat



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vladivostok is on my shortlist of the world's worst cities. Avoid it at all costs.

The Kamchatka Peninsula sounds pretty cool, though pricey.
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ohahakehte



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wuts so bad bout' vladivostok?
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Crois



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's bloody hard to spell.
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JacktheCat



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohahakehte wrote:
wuts so bad bout' vladivostok?


Imagine a Siberian version of Queens, New York full of rundown communist-era concrete eyesore buildings, run by crocked politians and inhabited by mafioso types, crack whores, and thieves.

Still its better than Lagos, Nigera.
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ohahakehte



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote:
ohahakehte wrote:
wuts so bad bout' vladivostok?


Imagine a Siberian version of Queens, New York full of rundown communist-era concrete eyesore buildings, run by crocked politians and inhabited by mafioso types, crack whores, and thieves.


haha....in other words, a place everyone should see at least once if, for nothing else, to confirm funny stereotypes about post-communist russia. a friend and i have a continuous running impression of russians of today who want ruthless capitalism for the money, but still insist on very tight controls on freedom of speech, movement, etc.
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Zed



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogbert posted some pictures a few months back but they seem to be gone now.
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's too bad.

I didn't save my posts, so I can't repost those.

I assume you're talking about Vladivostok Avia's package. The price has really gone up this year.

Still, I can't recommend it highly enough. I don't know what the other poster's problem with Vladivostok was, but I enjoyed it a lot. In any event, Kamchatka is where you'll spend most of your time and I'm telling you, it is pristine and unspoiled there. Just gorgeous.

When I have time, I'll post more details if you like and put some photos on photobucket.
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ohahakehte



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
Still, I can't recommend it highly enough. I don't know what the other poster's problem with Vladivostok was, but I enjoyed it a lot. In any event, Kamchatka is where you'll spend most of your time and I'm telling you, it is pristine and unspoiled there. Just gorgeous.


ya, if i go ill be going to vlad + kamchatka. and yes its very pricey but i figure how often do i get to go to siberia? i assume that kamchatka will look a lot like the NWT or the yukon in canada? but it sounds like fun and im looking forward
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohahakehte wrote:
dogbert wrote:
Still, I can't recommend it highly enough. I don't know what the other poster's problem with Vladivostok was, but I enjoyed it a lot. In any event, Kamchatka is where you'll spend most of your time and I'm telling you, it is pristine and unspoiled there. Just gorgeous.


ya, if i go ill be going to vlad + kamchatka. and yes its very pricey but i figure how often do i get to go to siberia? i assume that kamchatka will look a lot like the NWT or the yukon in canada? but it sounds like fun and im looking forward


By all means, go!

Vladivostok is hardly a hole:


Fire and ice in July:



Volcanoes!



In this bay, I saw huge salmon jumping all around our boat:



A river runs through it:



Mars?

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ohahakehte



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool! thanks for the pics!
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nev



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very interested in travelling around Siberia next year. Is it possible to do without spending a fortune? Kamchatka sounds great, but it seems that to get the most out of it, you have to take a fairly pricey tour. Is budget living feasible?

How is transport in that part of the world? Can you get to Kamchatka by any other means tham flight? Is there much of a road network in Siberia?
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only feasible way is to fly there. There are a number of Russian airlines that offer service to all sorts of podunk places in Siberia.

I noticed that roads turned to gravel not far outside the capital, so I wouldn't expect it to be easy to travel by road. Also, the land bridge is quite a long ways to the north.

BTW, it was a very relaxed low budget tour in Kamchatka. We just loaded up a couple of Toyota Corollas and stopped when we found a good campsite. None of the helicopter tours or those big six-wheeled bus-like things.
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ohahakehte



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nev wrote:
I'm very interested in travelling around Siberia next year. Is it possible to do without spending a fortune? Kamchatka sounds great, but it seems that to get the most out of it, you have to take a fairly pricey tour. Is budget living feasible?

How is transport in that part of the world? Can you get to Kamchatka by any other means tham flight? Is there much of a road network in Siberia?


im sure the answer to most of those questions is yes...but when you're an english teacher in seoul and only have 7 days for vacation, your options and resources for a thrifty and fun vacation are reduced. normally i wouldnt do a package tour anywhere, but i dont have the time, the grasp of russian language or the connections to do a different tour of siberia
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, as you probably already know, traveling on your own in Russia can be a bit of hassle because of visa and registration requirements. That takes a lot of extra time to plan up front.
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