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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm your post was a bit hard to follow. It sounds like you're working a split shift? If you weren't, I'd say all things considered, suck it up and come in an hour early (which really amounts to you coming in an extra 30 minutes early). You could work less some place else but conditions might be worse. The devil you know vs the "well I work 4 hours a day but I'm not sure if my job will be there tomorrow and my apartment turned out to be a hell hole" devil you don't want to know in concrete terms.
But then if you're working a split shift, say morning and then night, that's zero fun and I'd be less willing to add to that.
My solution to over coming Korean coworker envy is asking them what their birthday is, writing it down on my calendar, and when it's their birthday, I bring them in a birthday cake, candles, and we all sing them happy birthday. My theory is it's pretty hard to really hate someone who remembers your birthday.
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the saint
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Location: not there yet...
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:34 am Post subject: Re: what should I do??????? |
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Demophobe wrote: |
mezdupa wrote: |
But I prep really quickly, because I am an English speaker. |
Sorry, but
That's rich. |
Arrrr Demo... you beat me to it...
But then...
mezdupa wrote: |
I meant as in as as I am a native English speaker, that I tend to work faster with the language in relation to English Prep..... no offense was meant |
Har har... richer still |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Not necessarily so rich. Korean teachers often have to spend more time prepping for the exact same classes we might teach in order to make sure they're doing it correctly. And they still make mistakes because it's not their native language.
This is a more charitable way of interpreting what he wrote rather than assuming that he's lazy. |
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mezdupa
Joined: 11 Jul 2004
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Son Deureo! wrote: |
Not necessarily so rich. Korean teachers often have to spend more time prepping for the exact same classes we might teach in order to make sure they're doing it correctly. And they still make mistakes because it's not their native language.
This is a more charitable way of interpreting what he wrote rather than assuming that he's lazy. |
I'm female |
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mezdupa
Joined: 11 Jul 2004
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice folks!
Much appreciated!
xox |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Son Deureo! wrote: |
Not necessarily so rich. Korean teachers often have to spend more time prepping for the exact same classes we might teach in order to make sure they're doing it correctly. And they still make mistakes because it's not their native language.
This is a more charitable way of interpreting what he wrote rather than assuming that he's lazy. |
I can see what she means. My teachers guides are all in Korean at the school so it takes me ages to prep. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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mezdupa wrote: |
Son Deureo! wrote: |
Not necessarily so rich. Korean teachers often have to spend more time prepping for the exact same classes we might teach in order to make sure they're doing it correctly. And they still make mistakes because it's not their native language.
This is a more charitable way of interpreting what he wrote rather than assuming that he's lazy. |
I'm female |
Sorry, I made a mistake.
I'm also sorry I stuck up for you when other posters accused you of being a lazy teacher. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: what should I do??????? |
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mezdupa wrote: |
Demophobe wrote: |
mezdupa wrote: |
But I prep really quickly, because I am an English speaker. |
Sorry, but
That's rich. |
I meant as in as as I am a native English speaker, that I tend to work faster with the language in relation to English Prep..... no offense was meant |
For many native teachers over here, prep=clearing your throat before walking into class. Hope that's not what you were alluding to. |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: don't need to know
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:01 am Post subject: prep time is needed |
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Remember, prep time is needed for teachers. It takes time to make worksheets and proper assignments and homework. The homework and worksheets must match what you are studying that day. This stuff takes time and effort.
They may be complaining that you are doing a crappy job and the work is falling onto them. |
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jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: prep time is needed |
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bellum99 wrote: |
Remember, prep time is needed for teachers. It takes time to make worksheets and proper assignments and homework. The homework and worksheets must match what you are studying that day. This stuff takes time and effort.
They may be complaining that you are doing a crappy job and the work is falling onto them. |
I agree with your statement about lesson plans, though I can't really see the likelihood of the reasons for them asking for the OP to come in earlier. As the only foreigner at a relatively new school, I can totally relate with the OP. My school doesn't know which way is up when it comes to dealing with foreigners (er... foreigner). I have been in Korea long enough to know that going with the flow can mean a very good life. You can let a lot of stuff slide but there is a point when these new schools need to get it through their thick newbie sculls that when you hire someone on a contract that you should follow the terms which both parties agreed upon. Some of the better hogwans actually draw up contracts with their Korean teachers, though most don't. Combining this point with the fact that most hogwans are unregulated in terms of labour conditions, the Korean teachers who are without a contract are constantly getting stiffed. It's unfortunate but it's not your fault. You have an agreement so stick to what is within its terms. You can never go wrong if you just get them to follow the contract. Just be diplomatic in the way you handle the situation.
Good luck! |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 2:36 am Post subject: |
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What is wromg wth us getting paid more than Korean teachers? Most korean teachers (no, the vast majority) I work with have terrible English skills. Even at the Middle school I teach at their English is not good.
What you have is a great asset that most Koreans can't replace unless they spend years studying abroad.
It is hard to replace a lifetime of experience with a few years of schooling. I will use this analogy, Chinese food is expensive in Canada but the same meal is quite cheap in China. As is Korean cusine. But travel thousands of miles to another land and it may not be any better quality, but it still costs more.
Supply and demand. We tend to be short on the demand part eh? |
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jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:15 am Post subject: |
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riverboy wrote: |
What is wromg wth us getting paid more than Korean teachers? Most korean teachers (no, the vast majority) I work with have terrible English skills. Even at the Middle school I teach at their English is not good.
What you have is a great asset that most Koreans can't replace unless they spend years studying abroad.
It is hard to replace a lifetime of experience with a few years of schooling. I will use this analogy, Chinese food is expensive in Canada but the same meal is quite cheap in China. As is Korean cusine. But travel thousands of miles to another land and it may not be any better quality, but it still costs more.
Supply and demand. We tend to be short on the demand part eh? |
That's a pretty weak analogy. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Yeah...we are imports, man. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:46 am Post subject: |
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That's a pretty weak analogy.
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Hey it's a simple analogy. There is nothing weak about it. I worked in the restaraunt industry for years. Chinese restaraunts have the highest profit mark up. It is quite simple the food is cheap to produce and expensive to sell. We may not have stellar degrees, but we have them nonetheless. We speak the language that is in demand and are Natives of the language.
I know for a fact that most Chinese restaraunts only want to hire Chinese cooks. I can name a few in Eastern Canada.
Why do chinese restaraunts charge more for food?
Because most people don't know how to cook it well. Simple, not weak. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Fundamentally, I would take a bilingual Kyopo over a white face, if I had a Korean child. Or a well spoken Korean teacher who studied English Language & Lit. Then send my kid overseas when they got old enough, to fine-tune the pronunciation and contemporary vocab.
There are too many hogwan cowboys that come here and show up and say 'Of course I can teach english. I've been speaking it all my life. Now listen and repeat. Great. Now Minsun, can you read this, and then Jihun, then Yoonhee, then....Good job. Game jo-ah?' The parents are just throwing their money away to smooth-talking directors. |
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