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bigverne · Joined: 12 May 2004

'Turkey has even ruled over much of Europe at one time.'

And they were driven out for good reason. Let's not forget that outside Istanbul, most Turks live in very conservative, poor, rural areas, where the influence of Islam is very strong indeed.

mithridates · Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:04 am Post subject:

bigverne · Joined: 12 May 2004

'Don't forget that most of the people in the rural east are Kurds, who are Indo-Europeans.'

As Turkish citizens they would be free to settle anywhere in the EU, bringing such practices as these with them:

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,344374,00.html

'The *beep* lived like a German'....charming.

mithridates · Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:16 am Post subject:

That's why I said it would be easier if they were to just give up that area in the east. It's dead weight as far as I'm concerned. Except that it borders a lot of countries; strategically useful, I suppose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tu-map.png

See that city of Trabzon? That's around where the real Mithridates used to rule. Pontus, that's where it was at.

R. S. Refugee · Joined: 29 Sep 2004 Location: Shangra La, ROK

Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

There was an article that said that if Turkey joins the EU then when does it stop, Russia, who borders that? Turkey, who borders that? Israel, who borders that?

I guess for some it is what determines the EU, money, culture, similarities, ethnicism, anti US sentiment, pro US sentiment, I mean what makes the EU???

mithridates · Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject:

That little island of Mayotte in between Madagascar and the African mainland uses the Euro too. As does New Caledonia and every other French territory abroad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayotte

Tiger Beer · Joined: 07 Feb 2003

If the EU ever let Turkey in that would be a huge mistake.

They'd never be able to police that border of Turkey with its neighbors.. and it would be the second largest country in the EU giving them an extremely large say in the matters of Europe.

If I were a European, I'd want as much control over my own politics as much as possible.

Of course being from a divided U.S. where the more conservative (and usually southern part of the U.S.) controls everything.. is where I'm coming from with this.

What a different international perception the world would take on the U.S. if cities like San Francisco, Seattle, New York, Boston had the dominant say over U.S. politics/policies instead. Smaller is better.

If northern Europe (Scandinavia, Germany, Netherlands, etc.) gives up control over their countries (a huge united Europe like a United States) to encompass the entire region including Turkey.. then most of their progressive politics is going to quickly be a thing of the past.

rapier · Joined: 16 Feb 2003

Europe: all these countries should be in the EU.

Poorer eastern european nations like Ukraine + Moldova could provide the cheap labor force required in Western Europe. The N. W corner of Turkey is European.

former extent of Islam: we have sardinia, spain and half of Crete back now.

rapier · Joined: 16 Feb 2003

Turkey's economy
How does the country's economy compare with those of the EU? Its GDP per head is less than a third of the average for the 15 pre-2004 members of the EU. But it is not far off that of one of the ten new members which joined on May 1st 2004 (Latvia), and it is much the same as those of Bulgaria and Romania.

Looking to Europe
Mar 17th 2005
From The Economist print edition

http://www.economist.com/surveys/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3737609

Turkey: EU Bid Hinges on Further Rights Reforms
Tackle Displacement, Torture, Freedoms of Expression and Assembly

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/06/15/turkey8816.htm