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Diversity Is A Stupid Idea
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shakuhachi



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
Since no-one has responded to my request for more detail, I will assume that the bit about less diversity is just a bit of bewailing.

Looks like some countries have found ways to make diversity work.


Mithridates, I couldnt think of a worse example of 'successful' diversity than the one you gave, India. India is regularly wracked by Caste, racial and sectarian violence, caused by its over abundance of diversity. Simply posting a list of languages spoken in India is a shallow treatment of a complicated issue.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

on the other hand, it has been a stable democracy since its independence. Not many former colonies can say the same. Just look at its neigbhors, Pakistan and Bangladesh. They wish they had the political stability India has had. Nepal too. I wouldn't throw out Mith's example that easily.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside from Kashmir (not an internal issue anyway) my first thought was "Not bad for twenty-three official languages and independant only since WWII".
Besides, I could think of much worse examples. Nigeria. That was easy.
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
Aside from Kashmir (not an internal issue anyway) my first thought was "Not bad for twenty-three official languages and independant only since WWII".
Besides, I could think of much worse examples. Nigeria. That was easy.


How 'bout that diversity in Sri Lanka?
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Diversity Is A Stupid Idea Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
Boy, what a mess LA is. I was told diversity was supposed to bring rainbows and unicorns and butterflies of peace and I was supposed to become enriched somehow. I have very much the opposite. I haven't been rip off like that since last contract. Who made this mess and do you think they are going to clean it up?


This prevalence of this kind of focus and sentiment is the most direct reason why we have a bunch of Mayberry Machiavellis occupying the White House under the Master Apprentice.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/the-gops-ideological-identity-crisis/521316/

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I honestly think the split in conservatism comes more down to philosophy versus identity politics than anything. Are you opposed to things on philosophical or tribal grounds? Are you a believer of a member of our clan? (Said in the Scottish sense) ...

I bet if you polled Trump primary voters and asked them what was the bigger problem—insufficiently limited government or transgender Muslim feminists being celebrated at the Oscars, a big majority would say the latter.


Limited government philosophy died in the wake of the economic crisis; after two parties worked together to bail out the perpetrators and take homes from the victims.

Americans and Europeans: Diversity is your future. Get used to it.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For there to be peace, the principle of "unity in diversity" must be realized and maintained. Beyond all material designations (i.e. race, religion, nationality, gender, species...) everyone can unite on the basis of being infinitessimal parts of the Infinite Whole source of all life and matter... While there are different understandings of the phrase "unity in diversity" among various individuals and groups, I think the Krishna Consciousness movement has the most elegant philosophical understanding of how we are all constitutionally meant to cooperatively work together for both material and spiritual progress...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_in_diversity

https://www.votetulsi.com/news/2012-11/core-values-service-and-unity-reach-across-faiths-gabbard-says

http://www.iskcondesiretree.com/profiles/blogs/unity-in-diversity-by-radha-madhava-dasa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=repmmNMQR5w
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The neo nazi /alt right is still in here? The crazy irony is that 150 years ago or there abouts, many of us on here were on the other end of the 'diversity' debate. Except back then the Know Nothing party and other 'nativists' regarded non protestant western europeans as 'alien' and weren't considered white. Irish catholics, Jews, Slavs and eastern Europeans, pretty much any european country bordering the mediterranean.

There has always been conflict between new groups. The situation was much, much worse 150 years ago. NYC for example had a small police force in relation to its booming population, pre mandatory education meant hundreds and sometimes thousands of young people organzied into gangs (Gangs of NY comes to mind) and literally controlled whole areas of the city. Cops couldn't go there.


It was a more significant argument back then. Many of you are of those groups. As for LA, latinos were already there. Blacks were forced into this country(and part of the first spanish that settled LA) so that makes the whole anti diversity argument asinine.

Ask some of these neo nazis on here and the conversation eventually leads to separation of groups based on color/ethnicity.

The problem as someone indicated isn't diversity, its socioeconmics. The fact is LA, just as every single major and intermediate sized city in America is going through is being gentrified by those who look like presumably like us on there.

Furthermore, go a several miles up north in the wealthy Beverly Hills area and adjacent, you will find the exclusive private schools are very diverse and everyone gets along. That arab sheikh's son, jewish producer's daughter, black celeb's son, korean owner of a chain of stores son, all good friends and very little issues and the issues aren't ethnicity related, its who gosspiped about whom as you see in normal kids.

Haven't been on Dave's in a while, Thought we were past that. But the neo nazis who rebranded themselves as alt rights are relentless. There has been two strategies they have had for the last 15 years or so if you ask the FBI. They have joined law enforcement (see a 2006 report by the FBI on that) and they target any forum or comment section such as these to recruit, spread ideology or shut down voices opposed to that ideology.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Alt-Right is shallow.


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/the-alt-rights-favorite-team-visits-the-white-house-215046

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Spencer was a Trump supporter, but for him, the Patriots were more than just the president’s team. When he watched the Patriots, he could see a white quarterback, Brady, pass to a trio of wide receivers who were also white: Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan and Danny Amendola. “Rooting for the Pats!” he tweeted, with the Patriots trailing 28-3. “1/ Belichick & Brady support Trump 2/ Three White widereceivers (sic) 3/ Consistently NFL's whitest team 4/ ATL is dreadful.”

The Patriots then staged the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history. Spencer was giddy, and a flurry of tweets followed, punctuated by a GIF of Brady—who Spencer called an “Aryan Avatar”—kissing his German-Brazilian supermodel wife, Giselle Bundchen, with the caption, “For the White race, it’s never over.” Spencer got the response he was looking for. Most fans were horrified, while his supporters retweeted him thousands of times. David Duke even chimed in.

Spencer's tweets became a troubling sideshow to the dramatic win. Appalled fans tweeted that he had sucked the joy from the Patriots’ victory. By the next morning, Boston Magazine, the New York Daily News, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and others ran items chronicling Spencer’s tweets. For Spencer, the rampant denunciations only added to his pleasure. “It was like the alt-right won the Super Bowl,” Spencer told me recently.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are we calling them by their rebrand? Before the term alt right they were proudly calling themselves Nazis. Until no one was buying it. Rebranding is lying. You can't win over people showing them who you truly are so you nuance it, call yourselves something different and like a pedophile does a potential victim, you groom them over time.

Furthermore, they have no allegiance to the constitution. Many of the things they propose are flatly unconstitutional. So we scrap it and make it up as we go along? 150 years ago, their counterparts in the know nothing party would have kept out anyone who wasn't a western european protestant.

Now, the rest of these Europeans are accepted. So, lets assume they have their way. 'White' is a transitory term. It changes. Its not clear cut. Is a Jew 'white'? Not to all of them. Is a spaniard white? Not to all of them. Is Ted Cruz or Rubio 'white'? Not by all of them. Is a blond blue eyed Bosnian molsem white? Not by all of them. Is an olive skinned Sicilian from Palermo white?

The fact is they will change and alter it to fit what ever they need. You can't go by physical looks. There were very fair skinned blacks who passed as white pre civil rights such as Harlem congressman Adam Clayton did for a time in his life.

Most don't accept gays, others just used anyone like Milo. Gays are out with some because they won't reproduce.

There is no one defining ideology or viewpoint.

Its BS. Strip it away, its about masculine insecurity. A loss of a feeling of manhood. Hence why almost all of them are overly misogynistic...at least to American white women. Many of them take asian wives/girlfriends and justify it somehow mentally.
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J.Q.A.



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
Why are we calling them by their rebrand? Before the term alt right they were proudly calling themselves Nazis. Until no one was buying it. Rebranding is lying. You can't win over people showing them who you truly are so you nuance it, call yourselves something different and like a pedophile does a potential victim, you groom them over time.

Furthermore, they have no allegiance to the constitution. Many of the things they propose are flatly unconstitutional. So we scrap it and make it up as we go along? 150 years ago, their counterparts in the know nothing party would have kept out anyone who wasn't a western european protestant.

Now, the rest of these Europeans are accepted. So, lets assume they have their way. 'White' is a transitory term. It changes. Its not clear cut. Is a Jew 'white'? Not to all of them. Is a spaniard white? Not to all of them. Is Ted Cruz or Rubio 'white'? Not by all of them. Is a blond blue eyed Bosnian molsem white? Not by all of them. Is an olive skinned Sicilian from Palermo white?

The fact is they will change and alter it to fit what ever they need. You can't go by physical looks. There were very fair skinned blacks who passed as white pre civil rights such as Harlem congressman Adam Clayton did for a time in his life.

Most don't accept gays, others just used anyone like Milo. Gays are out with some because they won't reproduce.

There is no one defining ideology or viewpoint.

Its BS. Strip it away, its about masculine insecurity. A loss of a feeling of manhood. Hence why almost all of them are overly misogynistic...at least to American white women. Many of them take asian wives/girlfriends and justify it somehow mentally.


Obviously, you are bothered by something.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quips. The second to last refuge for someone who can't counter something. Very Happy
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