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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 11:16 pm    Post subject: Captives told to claim torture Reply with quote

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Captives told to claim torture
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published May 31, 2005

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An al Qaeda handbook preaches to operatives to level charges of torture once captured, a training regime that administration officials say explains some of the charges of abuse at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp. The American Civil Liberties Union last week posted on its Web site 2002 FBI documents regarding accusations from suspected al Qaeda and Taliban detainees at the detention center. The organization had won a court decision that forced the administration to release scores of e-mails between agents who had interviewed captives.
U.S. Southern Command, which oversees the prison, is investigating interrogation techniques at "GTMO," as the naval base in Cuba is called, as well as the FBI-conveyed, unsubstantiated complaints. The U.S. Justice Department inspector general has begun a separate probe.
One investigator, Brig. Gen. Jay W. Hood, said last week that the most explosive charge so far -- that guards flushed the Koran Muslim holy book down a toilet -- is not true. The Pentagon tabbed Gen. Hood to conduct a probe into how Islam is treated at the prison in the aftermath of a since-retracted report by Newsweek on the Koran claim.
U.S. officials think the Koran story -- told by a detainee who did not see the purported event -- might be part of an al Qaeda campaign to spread disinformation.
"There have been allegations made by detainees," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters. "We know that members of al Qaeda are trained to mislead and to provide false reports. We know that's one of their tactics that they use. And so I think you have to keep that in mind."
In a raid on an al Qaeda cell in Manchester, British authorities seized al Qaeda's most extensive manual for how to wage war.
A directive lists one mission as "spreading rumors and writing statements that instigate people against the enemy."
If captured, the manual states, "At the beginning of the trial ... the brothers must insist on proving that torture was inflicted on them by state security before the judge. Complain of mistreatment while in prison."
The handbook instructs commanders to make sure operatives, or "brothers," understand what to say if captured.
"Prior to executing an operation, the commander should instruct his soldiers on what to say if they are captured," the document says. "He should explain that more than once in order to ensure that they have assimilated it. They should, in turn, explain it back to the commander."

An example might have occurred in a Northern Virginia courtroom in February.
Ahmed Omar Abul Ali, accused of planning to assassinate President Bush, made an appearance in U.S. District Court and promptly told the judge that he had been tortured in Saudi Arabia, including a claim that his back had been whipped. He is accused of meeting there with a senior al Qaeda leader.
Days later, a U.S. attorney filed a court document saying physicians had examined Ali and "found no evidence of any physical mistreatment on the defendant's back or any other part of his body."
Larry Di Rita, spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, said two Guantanamo commanders told him that al Qaeda detainees are experts in circulating false charges among the more than 500 fighters captured in Afghanistan.
"There are elements within the detainee population that were very effective at getting other detainees agitated about the Koran by making allegations," Mr. Di Rita said. "They particularly focused on the practice of their faith and the Koran being kept from them. So people should not be surprised when detainees come out and make these kinds of allegations. It causes the reactions we've seen."
He added, "None of this is meant to excuse the situation we found when individuals were unfortunately abused at Abu Ghraib. That was wrong."
There already has been one Pentagon review of accusations of abuse at Guantanamo. Vice Adm. Albert T. Church III, the Navy inspector general, released a report in March that found three substantiated closed cases of "minor" abuse in 24,000 interrogations -- one assault and two female guards' making sexually suggestive gestures to detainees.
"It bears emphasis that the vast majority of detainees held by the U.S. in the global war on terror have been treated humanely and that the overwhelming majority of U.S. personnel have served honorably," Adm. Church wrote.

Copyright © 2005 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20050531-121655-7932r
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Gwangjuboy



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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting article. The huge reaction any allegation of abuse gets means this tactic is very effective.
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rok_the-boat



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, how do you tell real torture from fake torture?
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rok_the-boat wrote:
So, how do you tell real torture from fake torture?


Start with the photos
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Start with the photos



Accusations of torture would not be nearly as credible if there wasn't a proven history of it, glaringly illustrated by photos.
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Sleepy in Seoul



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were they also told to claim being tortured or beaten to death? It's a tricky one, but at least ten seem to have managed it. You have to admire their ingenuity. http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/may/05iraq2.htm

And they are only part of the dastardly, conniving 108 prisoners who have died in U.S. military custody in Iraq and Afghanistan. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/16/terror/main680658.shtml
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at Guantanamo.
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W.T.Carl



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having your picture taken in your underwear isn't torture. Having you fingernails pulled out is. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
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Sleepy in Seoul



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not yet anyway. So Joo, which is worse? Actual torture or false claims of it?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SIS

It depends.

If false claims help Al Qaida to win then it would be worse than anything the US did.
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funplanet



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mentioned this in another thread and got crucified for it....just proves how full of venom and hatred the left have for America and Bush...

so close minded they don't even want to consider other plausible scenarios

one man's abuse is another man's pleasure.... Very Happy
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Wangja



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

funplanet wrote:
I mentioned this in another thread and got crucified for it....just proves how full of venom and hatred the left have for America and Bush...

so close minded they don't even want to consider other plausible scenarios

one man's abuse is another man's pleasure.... Very Happy


America and Bush are not the same.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No but many Bush haters also hate America.

Radicals like Counterpunch and 9-11 conspriacy theorist / holocaust deniers like Michael Rivero started out as anti Clinton people.

Many of the professional Bush haters had America in their sites before Bush ever ran for office.
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Wangja



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
No but many Bush haters also hate America.

Radicals like Counterpunch and 9-11 conspriacy theorist / holocaust deniers like Michael Rivero started out as anti Clinton people.

Many of the professional Bush haters had America in their sites before Bush ever ran for office.


Well, count me as an American-loving Bush-hater.

I dislike my own chief executive, Blair, almost equally btw.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't grouping you in with those guys.

My apologies if you thought I was.
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