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R. S. Refugee
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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However their director has poor judgement. |
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komtengi
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| Does Amnesty International hate America? |
if they do, its only one more on a really long list |
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Dan
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| The irony is that the countries that Amnesty International SHOULD be reporting on, don't allow them in to see what really goes on, so AI is left to pick on the more open countries. |
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Alias
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| Which countries does AI not report on? |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:33 am Post subject: |
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None that I'm aware of.
What I think Dan means is AI isn't allowed full access so its reports don't tell all the gruesome details.
I think.. |
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panthermodern
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:48 am Post subject: |
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A.I. is just another liberal guilt lobby group whose sole purpose it ot generalte revenue to pay the upper Echelon.
Collect number, pay the head.
Just like Green Peace ...
personally I feel the NRA is by far more honest then A.I. / G.P. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| PM, tell me where you got your pot. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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PM, tell me where you got your pot.
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Or, better yet, provide us with a source for your information about AI's alleged corruption and dishonesty. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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PM, tell me where you got your pot.
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Or, better yet, provide us with a source for your information about AI's alleged corruption and dishonesty. |
I'd be very interested as well. AI seems to be about the least corrupt international NGO you could point to. Their biggest crime, for many, is that they are not - they are even-handed enough to pass out criticism to the US as quickly as to other countries. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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canuckistan
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Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Not impressed with "The World's Greatest Democracy" that they send people suspected of terrorism to 2nd countries for "interrogation" so as not to sully their own hands. Shameful stuff. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link - quite amusing, a heavily biased opinion piece that alleges, um, bias ... and does so with a lot of highly ridiculous claims with no attempt at justificatioin being given ("For Amnesty, apparently only a socialist world government in which the United States is neutered will satisfy their criteria of a ��just world�� ; and "Amnesty International is a Fifth Column organization that has presently discarded any pretense to impartiality" ). The few times it refers to anything ever said by AI, somewhat hilarious gymnastics ensue as it tries in vain to connect the strange things it wants to say with the actual reality of Amnesty's position.
Note the near-existential absurdity reached in this paragraph, which quotes from an AI report, then calmly and baldly tries to say that AI "remains silent" on the topic which was just that moment quoited.
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| In Amnesty��s own words Libya is a country so corrupt that ��a climate of fear continued to prevail where victims of human rights violations or their relatives, in or outside the country, risk measures of retaliation when they communicate information to human rights organizations.�� Yet Amnesty remains silent on Libya much as they do about the rest of the Human Rights Commission. |
TUM forgot to mention that the opinion piece he gave us was written in June of 2003 and makes reference to Amnesty reports published 3 years ago - no connection at all is to be made to the present controversies about US govt behavior. No blame is to be given to TUM for this neglect, but isome context is preferable : eleven months later, when the photos from Abu Ghraib became public, it became a whole lot harder to to even consider the kind of logical leaps this writer desires the reader to do.
And today, 13 months after Hersh's work in The New Yorker, we know even more than we did then, about beatings and homicide in Bagram, Afghanistan, about "ghost detainees" held with no records kept to trace their identity or to prove their existence, about the CIAs secret airline serevice to ferry prisoners from one theater of battle to secret rooms in third countries for torture under hire to allow deniability to the Americans ...
I remember June of 2003. I t was a time in history when a few of us who wanted to could still close our eyes, stick our thumbs in our ears and say "Lalalalala" and pretend that the US is not a country that uses torture.
Yeah, this article was quite amusing. Thanks for the laughs, TUM. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| The Bobster wrote: |
Thanks for the link - quite amusing, a heavily biased opinion piece that alleges, um, bias ... and does so with a lot of highly ridiculous claims with no attempt at justificatioin being given ("For Amnesty, apparently only a socialist world government in which the United States is neutered will satisfy their criteria of a ��just world�� ; and "Amnesty International is a Fifth Column organization that has presently discarded any pretense to impartiality" ). The few times it refers to anything ever said by AI, somewhat hilarious gymnastics ensue as it tries in vain to connect the strange things it wants to say with the actual reality of Amnesty's position.
Note the near-existential absurdity reached in this paragraph, which quotes from an AI report, then calmly and baldly tries to say that AI "remains silent" on the topic which was just that moment quoited.
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| In Amnesty��s own words Libya is a country so corrupt that ��a climate of fear continued to prevail where victims of human rights violations or their relatives, in or outside the country, risk measures of retaliation when they communicate information to human rights organizations.�� Yet Amnesty remains silent on Libya much as they do about the rest of the Human Rights Commission. |
TUM forgot to mention that the opinion piece he gave us was written in June of 2003 and makes reference to Amnesty reports published 3 years ago - no connection at all is to be made to the present controversies about US govt behavior. No blame is to be given to TUM for this neglect, but isome context is preferable : eleven months later, when the photos from Abu Ghraib became public, it became a whole lot harder to to even consider the kind of logical leaps this writer desires the reader to do.
And today, 13 months after Hersh's work in The New Yorker, we know even more than we did then, about beatings and homicide in Bagram, Afghanistan, about "ghost detainees" held with no records kept to trace their identity or to prove their existence, about the CIAs secret airline serevice to ferry prisoners from one theater of battle to secret rooms in third countries for torture under hire to allow deniability to the Americans ...
I remember June of 2003. I t was a time in history when a few of us who wanted to could still close our eyes, stick our thumbs in our ears and say "Lalalalala" and pretend that the US is not a country that uses torture.
Yeah, this article was quite amusing. Thanks for the laughs, TUM. |
Since some people use Smirkingchimp articles which are heavily biased I saw no reason not to use the other side of the coin so as to speak.
As for the quote about Libya, when the writer talked about "in Amnesty's own words" he was referring to previous reports. When he mentioned Amensty's "silence" he was referring to the present report. But yes it wasn't very clearly put. However the writer obviously had access to Amnesty's reports and thus probably has a clearer view than you or I for that matter.
But again if certain people can post articles from obscure websites which are heavily biased, don't be surprised if articles are used from other obscure websites which are biased the other way.
Oh yes and you're welcome. |
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The Bobster
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| However the writer obviously had access to Amnesty's reports and thus probably has a clearer view than you or I for that matter. |
Notg suyre what you are talking about here. Amnesty's Annual Reports are not secret and they don't even charge for them. They are available online anytime day or night.
Amnesty Intl's Annual Reports can be found by clicking right there, and they have past reports available going back for the last dozen years.
Glad to help out, don't mention it.
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| But again if certain people can post articles from obscure websites which are heavily biased, don't be surprised if articles are used from other obscure websites which are biased the other way. |
Bias is one thing. Quite another to simply tell lies. Where does he get that stuff about Amnesty wanting world socialism? Very wierd.
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