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withnail



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:17 pm    Post subject: SNU Hiring Reply with quote

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=60630

Looks not bad - I thought someone on this forum said these guys were doing away with their College English Program...?

Maybe the 3rd best TESOL job in Korea behind Yonsei and Korea U
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how is that the 3rd best TESOL job in Korea? the pay is crap for a uni in Seoul.
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sugahdaddy87



Joined: 24 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People with Master degrees that are accepting less than 3,000 dollars a month seriously needs to rethink life.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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People with Master degrees that are accepting less than 3,000 dollars a month seriously needs to rethink life.


Maybe they value free time more than money.
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Jongno2bucheon



Joined: 11 Mar 2014

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doods, unionize. The average hyundai worker makes 100 million a year.

No matter where the westerner goes, the US or overseas, wages remain flat huh?
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LPKSA



Joined: 24 Feb 2014
Location: Saudi Arabia

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Doods, unionize. The average hyundai worker makes 100 million a year.

No matter where the westerner goes, the US or overseas, wages remain flat huh?


Get published, and get a job at a university in a country which will value you and not see you simply as a robot. With a MA or MS, you might very well be wasting your time in South Korea.
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Engrish Mufffin



Joined: 09 Jun 2013

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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People with Master degrees that are accepting less than 3,000 dollars a month seriously needs to rethink life.


Maybe they value free time more than money.

Then they wouldn't have spent the extra time to obtain a masters degree
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then they wouldn't have spent the extra time to obtain a masters degree


It's called forward thinking. You put in extra time on something short term to reap the long term benefits.
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what % you would get for seeing that if you had the highest of the highest of the requirements you still would not have 500%?

Teaching Experience a full-time and paid lecturer at a college or university 100% Acknowledged only when appointed by the president of the college or university.

a contract employee assistant appointed by a president of a college or university 70%

Educational Experience PhD. degree holder 100% Acknowledged only if you took classes, and up to 3 years


Well I guess if you can also count the MA you got before the PhD then

M.A. degree holder 100% Acknowledged only if you took classes, and up to 2 years

a full-time researcher, senior researcher, etc. at a research institute established by a national or public organization, or an institute acknowledged by the Minister of Education 100% Acknowledged only if you were paid and appointed by the president of the college or university


100+70+100+100+100 = 470.

And who would have all of these positions appointed by the president of a university? If it means the president signs the contract, then still the highest of the highest would be 470.

PS: I do not teach in any of the universities you mentioned as the best and I make much much more than that. And I have great housing and do not pay rent.

If it were possible to have 500%, this is a crap job. And anyone with what it takes to get the highest I can see possible (470) would have a MUCH MUCH better position.


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withnail



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been working at Yonsei for 2 years.

I was the third pick out of 8 finalists for 2 jobs

Me with 17 years straight TESOL experience in the UK, Norway, Japan, France & Hungary, a BA English, MA TESOL, Grad Dip TEFL and a 2nd year PhD candidate in Applied Linguistics..


...only got in because somebody dropped out....

...tough stuff in Seoul....
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Jongno2bucheon



Joined: 11 Mar 2014

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

withnail wrote:
I've been working at Yonsei for 2 years.

I was the third pick out of 8 finalists for 2 jobs

Me with 17 years straight TESOL experience in the UK, Norway, Japan, France & Hungary, a BA English, MA TESOL, Grad Dip TEFL and a 2nd year PhD candidate in Applied Linguistics..


...only got in because somebody dropped out....

...tough stuff in Seoul....


In general humanities phds have a tight labor market in the states. Dunno about Korea but dood its Seoul too
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sugahdaddy87



Joined: 24 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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People with Master degrees that are accepting less than 3,000 dollars a month seriously needs to rethink life.


Maybe they value free time more than money.



BRB making slightly north of 80k a year working 9-5. Glad I got out of the English teaching game Twisted Evil
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BRB making slightly north of 80k a year working 9-5. Glad I got out of the English teaching game


So?
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

withnail wrote:
I've been working at Yonsei for 2 years.

I was the third pick out of 8 finalists for 2 jobs

Me with 17 years straight TESOL experience in the UK, Norway, Japan, France & Hungary, a BA English, MA TESOL, Grad Dip TEFL and a 2nd year PhD candidate in Applied Linguistics..


...only got in because somebody dropped out....

...tough stuff in Seoul....


Well, in any case, I do not think there is a single person on the face of Earth that would have all they need to have the 500% they say you need to just apply.
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I'm With You



Joined: 01 Sep 2011

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After deductions, the job pays about US $2,500.

Is there a salary scale for experience, number of refereed publications, or for those who actually do hold doctorates?

If not, that's a shameful salary.

But then we need to bear in mind that this is not a bona fide faculty position but just a guest instructor job. The people working there aren't considered regular, permanent faculty and so are regarded and treated as such.

I've heard even HongDae pays over 3 million now.

And what's this bullshit about 100% for this or that, or if 6 hours a week or 7 hours a week, or if the teacher was appointed by the president, or if the applicant was not a guest lecturer, or if the applicant's degree was obtained during a 3-year period, and then needing 500% for minimum requirements.

Talk about a byzantine and convoluted evaluation system.

My suggestion for people seriously considering working SNU and some of the SKY type university - avoid them. They are more headache than they are worth.
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