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ThreeDogNight



Joined: 30 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 6:15 pm    Post subject: Spies(Communists) Among Us? Reply with quote

It's estimated that there were or might be as many aas 40,000 North Korean spies in South Korea. It used to be that if you caught or reported one(or a Communist,) the South Korean government would give you 5 million won or more(maybe 11.) But it makes me wonder: do you really think there are spies or Communists among us?

It may be something to laught about, or it may not. Look at some of the social situations you've had to confront, like times I've walked into public places and felt the hair stand out on my neck I could feel the hate so deep, particularly among farmers. Or how about some radical students, motivated perhaps by some unseen professor who behind the scenes is stirring up anti-Americanism with farflung ideologies and nationalistic fervor, much like that that took place this year? Or how about the young children who chant slogans such as "F--k You USA," the shopkeepers who glare, the anti-foreign feelings that radiate out of no where? How about the lies about the Korean War? South Korean sympathies toward the North? The political bashing of George Bush? Criticism of Capitalism? A young Korean woman who told me "You know, communism isn't as bad as Americans think it is." Or an intellectual who came to my class once and after the 911 incident chimed in that "This just proves there's no such thing as a "pure" democracy" and that "no form of government is perfect?"

I've had numerous occasions, after being in the countryside for many years, to believe that communists and spies might still be alive and well in present, modern day Korea.


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GirlFromMars



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Corea do Sul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yah, LP had a section on this. Two options for making money in Korea a) teach English b) turn in a spy

cool. i am living in a city that inspired ian fleming to write casino royale, i'm looking forward to more espionage in Korea when i arrive next week

remeber, trust noone


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OverLeft



Joined: 13 Jun 2003
Location: Listening to Radiohead "I might be wrong"

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Spies Among Us Reply with quote

ThreeDogNight wrote:


It may be something to laught about, or it may not. Look at some of the social situations you've had to confront, like times I've walked into public places and felt the hair stand out on my neck I could feel the hate so deep, particularly among farmers. Or how about some radical students, motivated perhaps by some unseen professor who behind the scenes is stirring up anti-Americanism with farflung ideologies and nationalistic fervor, much like that that took place this year? Or how about the young children who chant slogans such as "F--k You USA," the shopkeepers who glare, the anti-foreign feelings that radiate out of no where? The political bashing of George Bush? Criticism of Capitalism? An intellectual who came to my class once and after the 911 incident chided in that 'This just proves there's no such thing as a "pure" democracy? Or how about student upon adult student who continually come to my class to stir up trouble by raising issues related to America?


These sentiments are expressed in nine tenths of the world today. Instead of simply wishing people would "shut up", have you ever considered making any attempt to investigate or research the source of their contempt for America? Maybe what they're saying is in some way justified, maybe not; but how do you know if you constantly avoid making the effort to find out? What they're saying maybe extreme, but so too could be your denial.

ThreeDogNight wrote:
I've had numerous occasions, after being in the countryside for many years, to believe that communists and spies might still be alive and well in present, modern day Korea.


Oh my... Shocked Senator McCarthy this really is serious... It's been a long time since I had a good ol' "red" roast, you go git some kindling, I'll be right back with a stake and some matches. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It took me a while to figure it out:

Three Dog Night is CPA's cousin who knows how to make a paragraph.
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whatthefunk



Joined: 21 Apr 2003
Location: Dont have a clue

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im a spy.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
....In the house of looove....

....I know the dream that you're dreamin' of;

I know the word that you long to hear.


I know your deepest secret fear.

I'm a spy.

I can see what you do.

And I know.


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sickboy



Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Location: Miari Texas

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say I'm a spy...
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or an intellectual who came to my class once and after the 911 incident chided in that "This just proves there's no such thing as a "pure" democracy


No, man. When I couldn't get my Coke refilled at Burger King. That proved that there was no such thing as pure democracy.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:58 am    Post subject: Re: Spies(Communists) Among Us? Reply with quote

ThreeDogNight wrote:
It may be something to laught about, or it may not. Look at some of the social situations you've had to confront, like times I've walked into public places and felt the hair stand out on my neck I could feel the hate so deep, particularly among farmers.


Did they actually do anything to make you feel hated, or have you developed some sort of ESP?



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Or how about some radical students, motivated perhaps by some unseen professor who behind the scenes is stirring up anti-Americanism with farflung ideologies and nationalistic fervor, much like that that took place this year?


I actually walked through a few of these demonstrations. If you had, you would have discovered the same thing as me in that they are just protesting perceived inequalities in the Korean/American relationship. They don't "hate America". You can disagree with the actions of another without being reduced to disliking them as a whole.

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Or how about the young children who chant slogans such as "F--k You USA,"


Different than American children swearing at France?

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the shopkeepers who glare, the anti-foreign feelings that radiate out of no where?


Evidence? Not to be an ass, but it sounds more like you're finding what you want to see even if it isn't there.

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How about the lies about the Korean War?


Would sure be nice if you told us what you're thinking.

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South Korean sympathies toward the North?


One can dislike the government while still wanting to embrace the people.

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The political bashing of George Bush?


This goes on everywhere.

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Criticism of Capitalism?


Why not? Just because something can be filed under capitalist doesn't make it right.

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A young Korean woman who told me "You know, communism isn't as bad as Americans think it is."


She's right, you know.

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Or an intellectual who came to my class once and after the 911 incident chided in that "This just proves there's no such thing as a "pure" democracy?"


There is no such thing as a pure democracy in practice today. Though the context of this statement would be nice. Plus what was his English level at? Completely fluent or just good?

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I've had numerous occasions, after being in the countryside for many years, to believe that communists and spies might still be alive and well in present, modern day Korea.


Proof?
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Tancred



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Upon a mountain in unknown Kadath

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if i turn myself in, do i still get 5 million won?
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:42 am    Post subject: hmm Reply with quote

Threedognight might not be as far off as some of you suggest. While Threedognight might not of meant to sound paranoid what he said came off sounding a bit like he was paranoid. However using agents to spread propganda in target countries is not unheard of or necessarily uncommon. Nasser Gamel used this method to spread antiamericanism and garner support for pan-arabism in the middle east during the 1950s. It is not unreasonable to suggest that North Korea is doing this in South KOrea. I am sure that North korean agents have found a few sympathetic people to spread propoganda. They get a few people in important places, like a university, school, newspaper or other media, to spread pro north korean messages and anti-american propoganda. A lot of people will hear this, some will believe it. The people who believe it will tell other people, some who will believe it and some who won't.
While the number of N. korean agents is probably small, the number of people who have been swayed by their propoganda as quite considerable. Which, for a certain part, explains the hatred towards westerners, and a nearly constant blind eye turned towards N. Korea.
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Tancred



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Upon a mountain in unknown Kadath

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree there may be nk agents among us, but the thing is...who cares? Unless they're in key military or government facilities (and i know a lot of my adult students suggest the current administration, although I think they're doing a pretty good double-bluff facade if that is indeed the case), what difference does it make if they are out there?

If they're only spreading propoganda, what difference does it make if they're a SK national or a spy? Words are only words, and the end result would be the same regardless of the intention.

T.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was talking with some of the DMZ boys and they suggest that there are upwards of 100,000 sleepers in South Korea. They're responsible for some social agitation. For example, American Military Intelligence figures the bruhaha over the two girls killed by the tank was flamed up by some of these agents. The main purpose of these agents would not be intelligence gathering, but sabotage and behind the lines mayhem should a war break out.

neither here nor here. . .
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The King of Kwangju



Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Spies(Communists) Among Us? Reply with quote

ThreeDogNight wrote:

I've had numerous occasions, after being in the countryside for many years, to believe that communists and spies might still be alive and well in present, modern day Korea.

Of course they are. And what's more, North Korean spies are alive and well in present, modern day America and Canada, too.
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Trinny



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Spies(Communists) Among Us? Reply with quote

The King of Kwangju wrote:
And what's more, North Korean spies are alive and well in present, modern day America and Canada, too.


Shocked KOK, can you be more specific?
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