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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:01 am Post subject: |
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peemil wrote: |
Take the battle to the enemy. |
The enemy are children.
Would you like me to tie one of their hands behind their backs too? |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Gord wrote: |
peemil wrote: |
Take the battle to the enemy. |
The enemy are children.
Would you like me to tie one of their hands behind their backs too? |
both, please. actually, i prefer hogtieing, and making them squeal. |
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elizabethjane
Joined: 04 Jul 2003 Location: Suwon
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Last year I worked in a school, part of a franchise, that had a huge picture of the towers right above the reception desk. On the anniversary of the 11th, one of the teachers at my school put up a big laminated heart covering the tops of the towers. The secretary laughed and pulled it down.
Sad. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 2:58 am Post subject: |
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So everytime I see her I just yell... "Hey- Look out behind you- There's a tank!" And have a good laugh. "Oh no teacher- Very sad..."
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And foreigners wonder why they get beaten up by Koreans? |
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Seoultrader
Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Location: Ali's Insurgent Inn, Fallujah
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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If the folks at our office worked with just half the creativity, sense of timing and innovation that the 9-11 operators did, I'd be a happy man. |
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duanemyhre
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! I don�t want to hear this before I come to Korea! This is really sad!
I wonder how this comment would go after a WTC remark.
HA�HAHAHA(Laughing along with the WTC joke). Yea� You know what is really funny! Remember when the Japanese were raping and pillaging in Korea ohh ohh and� They cut off the ears and noses of the Korean people and made a shrine in Japan. HA hahaha Yea that was REALLY funny!! I got to visit that shrine!
I wonder if that would bring things into perspective. People can be unbelievably cruel and self-centered. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Might as well just confess right now. I made a 9-11 joke in class once. I think we were discussing famous architecture or something, and I said "Well, what about the World Trade Centre", and made plane-crashing-into-building motions with my hands. This got a laugh. Fact is, though, I was making similar jokes in Canada with my friends the day after the tragedy, and they all seemed to find it amusing too. As well, I also read in THE NEW REPUBLIC about an American TV news show(20/20?) where they went to some state far from New York and talked to AMERICANS who were making 9-11 jokes. The point of the show was that people outside New York were less affected than people in New York, but I think what it really proves is that the impulse to laugh at tragedy is a universal one, and it is quite hypocritical to single out one race or culture for criticism in this regard. Then again, singling out one PARTICULAR race for criticism is pretty much what this board is all about, isn't it?
Obviously, I do not do "comfort women" jokes in my ESL classes, because I'm just guessing that Koreans are kinda sensitive about that. Then again, I would not go to New York and do 9-11 material either. Anyone who has never once laughed at a joke about something tragic can feel free to write a post telling me what a reprehensible sociopath I am. All the rest of you sensitive souls can take your love for humanity and stick it where the sun don't shine(that'd be yer nose )
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Seoultrader
Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Location: Ali's Insurgent Inn, Fallujah
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:44 am Post subject: |
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duanemyhre wrote: |
Wow! I don�t want to hear this before I come to Korea! This is really sad!
I wonder how this comment would go after a WTC remark.
HA�HAHAHA(Laughing along with the WTC joke). Yea� You know what is really funny! Remember when the Japanese were raping and pillaging in Korea ohh ohh and� They cut off the ears and noses of the Korean people and made a shrine in Japan. HA hahaha Yea that was REALLY funny!! I got to visit that shrine!
I wonder if that would bring things into perspective. People can be unbelievably cruel and self-centered. |
Have a beer, have a laugh
Q: Who are the fastest readers in the world?
A: New Yorkers. Some of them go through 110 stories in 5 seconds
Q: What is world most efficient airline?
A: American Airlines, leave Boston 8:15...be in your office in New York 8:48!
What was the last thing going through Mr. Jones head sitting in 90th floor of the WTC ? - The 91st floor.....
Q: Now how many sides to a Pentagon?
A: 4
"It's a bird!"
"It's a plane!"
"It's.... Oh f__k, it IS a plane!"
Q: Why are police and firemen New York's finest?
A: Because now you can run them through a sieve.
What's the number one drink served on United Airlines?
Flaming Manhattan
Floor 106...... you ARE the weakest link.... goodbye....
What's the difference between the attack on New York and the Oklahoma City Bombing? - Again foreigners prove they can do it better and more efficiently......
Your turn, now find some comfort women jokes. (I tried, but to no avail ) |
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Vince
Joined: 05 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:15 am Post subject: |
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I remember the Ethiopian jokes, but I can't imagine someone telling one with an Ethiopian in the room. Not that sick jokes are okay if the victims of them aren't present, but telling them right in front of the victims is simply cruel.
I read the journal of someone who was in Korea on 9-11. She wrote that kids were on stage during a school Halloween event making jokes about the attacks, and the parents were laughing it up with no regard for the American teachers in the room. I was disgusted. If I were there, I would've grabbed my stuff and started heading for the door. When the manager asked where I was going, I would've said in simple English, loud enough for everybody to hear, "I'm sorry, but my cousin died in the attack [not true, but that's beside the point]. Enjoy the rest of the party." |
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Seoultrader
Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Location: Ali's Insurgent Inn, Fallujah
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Vince wrote: |
I remember the Ethiopian jokes, but I can't imagine someone telling one with an Ethiopian in the room. Not that sick jokes are okay if the victims of them aren't present, but telling them right in front of the victims is simply cruel.
I read the journal of someone who was in Korea on 9-11. She wrote that kids were on stage during a school Halloween event making jokes about the attacks, and the parents were laughing it up with no regard for the American teachers in the room. I was disgusted. If I were there, I would've grabbed my stuff and started heading for the door. When the manager asked where I was going, I would've said in simple English, loud enough for everybody to hear, "I'm sorry, but my cousin died in the attack [not true, but that's beside the point]. Enjoy the rest of the party." |
Possible comeback: "May she rest-uh in pieces-uh, err...peace." I also have an imaginary fireman brother that heroically died in the towers. Makes me a hit with the ladies...give it a try.
Humor is relative. Deal with it. |
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Vince
Joined: 05 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Seoultrader wrote: |
Possible comeback: "May she rest-uh in pieces-uh, err...peace." |
Not a possible comeback: me to work the next day. |
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duanemyhre
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:56 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
an American TV news show(20/20?) where they went to some state far from New York and talked to AMERICANS who were making 9-11 jokes. |
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I was in the US during the attacks and the only stories I saw about people making jokes, were Middle Eastern people. For about a month after that, many Americans would beat the shit out of any Middle Eastern looking person they saw. They also smash and burned their stores and residences. If you looked Middle Eastern, you had to hide and claim to be the most patriotic Middle Eastern American in your city.
I did hear many non-WTC jokes. Like how we were going to carpet bomb all of Afghanistan, kill every living thing there, and turn their holy land into the worlds largest hazardous waste dump. The US military would (Actually I think they did) capture Bin laden, give him a full sex change, and return him to his people. At the time I thought this was a good way for people to vent.
Anyone who was brought up as a child to believe making jokes about people dying is fun, well� I feel sorry for you. Most Americans teach their children better than that. That would be like me sitting in a Japanese classroom and making jokes about Hiroshima. That is just stupid!
If adults want to sit among their inbred peers and tell jokes that�s one thing. I wouldn�t recommend doing it in front of someone from NY if you want to keep your front teeth. Unfortunately, the number of stupid people is growing day by day.
My problem is with children. Who in their right mind would let children make jokes and believe that racism and mass murder is funny? I don�t personally don�t know anyone who was raised that way! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
an American TV news show(20/20?) where they went to some state far from New York and talked to AMERICANS who were making 9-11 jokes.
Duanhyhre responded:
I was in the US during the attacks and the only stories I saw about people making jokes, were Middle Eastern people.[quote]
As I said, the article describing the show was in NEW REPUBLIC, and it must have been a couple of months after the attack. I think it was the cover story that week, with some headline like "The Great Divide Between New York and the rest of America".
As for your low opinion of people who were "brought up" to laugh at jokes about people dying, in my experience most people aren't brought up that way. A taste for morbid humour seems to kick in sometime around middle school. I think most parents would instruct their children NOT to laugh at such things, which is probably good. Morbid humour can be funny, but only in the right the social context; as you say, duanmyhre, one-liners about Hiroshima would not be the order of the day in Japan. Its probably a good idea to instill a taboo against such jokes in young children, to prevent them from laughing at tragic things in the wrong situation. The taboo, I think, is generally broken down by peers in social situations free of adult supervision. As a teenager, I just knew that the nasty jokes we told at recess were not things that I'd want to repeat at the dinner table that night. Possibly an early lesson in context-appropriate humour. |
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Walter Mitty
Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Location: Tokyo! ^.^
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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If one were to "fight fire with fire" and shoot back with jokes about Korean tragedies, there's plenty to choose from.
No gun ri Massacre
Shin Hyo-soon and Shim Mi-sun
comfort women
years of Japanese oppression and colonial rule
But really, shooting back in kind is pointless. Even if a NK terror attack took down the DLI-63 building, South Koreans would find a way to make it different from WTC. "Oh, this is much worse," they'd say. "You Americans have no idea what it's like to have a tragedy like this happen in your country."
Hard as it may be - ignore them when they act like ignorant hick f***tards. Attitudes on things like WTC make the country look bad. If they can't relate - even on a sympathetic human level - to a massive loss of life, they can stay where they are in relation to the rest of the world. Bit players (if that) in a production they can't grasp teh scope of. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Walter Mitty wrote: |
But really, shooting back in kind is pointless. Even if a NK terror attack took down the DLI-63 building, South Koreans would find a way to make it different from WTC. "Oh, this is much worse," they'd say. "You Americans have no idea what it's like to have a tragedy like this happen in your country." |
People care a lot more when it happens in their back yard. Sure, three thousand killed in a single act in downtown New York is a huge deal to you, but a lot of events in recent years dwarf that number with the numbers killed. But because it happened to you, "it's so much worse".
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Hard as it may be - ignore them when they act like ignorant hick f***tards. Attitudes on things like WTC make the country look bad. If they can't relate - even on a sympathetic human level - to a massive loss of life, they can stay where they are in relation to the rest of the world. Bit players (if that) in a production they can't grasp teh scope of. |
This, from a man whose government calls the Korean war with the near complete destruction of the country with more than two million dead and many more wounded simply "a police action". |
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