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[ad-miral]

[k.m.m]

Should we kill???????

see this in the Bilble:

Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor."

OH MY GOD , ALLAH!!!!why??

I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."

I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."

Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Also:
Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

For a discussion of the defense that the Commandments prohibit only murder, see "Murder, He Wrote", chapter 27 (Losing Faith In Faith: From Preacher To Atheist).

NOW
Should we steal?
it is cleare in the Bible:

Exodus 3:22 "And ye shall spoil the Egyptians."

Exodus 12:35-36 "And they spoiled [plundered, NRSV] the Egyptians."
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
REMEMBER when you take something without asking for it, that is stealing.

hey:
Should we own slaves?

read this in the BIBLE :

Leviticus 25:45-46 "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."

oh my GOD!!

Genesis 9:25 "And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren."

WHY?
Exodus 21:2,7 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservants do."
Joel 3:8 "And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it."


Luke 12:47,48 [Jesus speaking] "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes."
Colossians 3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your masters."
vs.

Pro-slavery bible verses were cited by many churches in the South during the Civil War(US), and were used by some theologians in the Dutch Reformed Church to justify apartheid in South Africa. There are more pro-slavery verses than cited here.

BUT
Should we LIVE IN PEACE OR DEATH??
Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."
Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, . . . he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."


Should we continue???????

KMM

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[Anuradha Chepur]

Faith is a matter of the heart, one's innermost feelings, something too personal, and not something to be flaunted in bold print, or shouted about as if it is being hawked.
If you are flaunting it, you are bound to hear questions, disagreement.
People are forcibly expected to agree, but.
Western people have the freedom of thought, expression, questioning.
In the east people will be threatened to be killed if they dare to think or express their opinion in some matters.
And why should people be forced to "try to understand" or "acceptance"?

[asterix]

In answer to your previous question - there are several well educated people from western democracies regularly on here.

Faced with the obvious fact that the Qu'ran says what it says, you then try to justify it by saying, "Well, the Bible says it too."

What kind of a schoolyard argument is that?

The difference is, that the Pope and the other Christian leaders, have moved on and modernised their religion to fit the moral standards of this day and age. They are trying to make their religion an influence for the good of mankind.

[beancurdturtle]

[k.m.m]

[beancurdturtle]

I've read both the Christian Bible (old and new testaments) and the Qu'ran. Of course that was more than 20 years ago.

I think the Bible and the Qu'ran are both fascinating mythology.
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[Anuradha Chepur]

What about present day politics and the interference of religion?

[ad-miral]

This topic is called "a quick introduction to Islam", then you discussed and discussed, now it seems that there are different parties: The first one says that Islam is good, the reason they give is: "The Bible is very similar to Koran. As the Bible is read by the Western people very much, so the Koran should also be read by the Western people."
The second one says: "We don't know Koran, it doesn't have anything to do with us so we don't want to discuss about it."
The third one says: "We think Koran is not good and it doesn't have to do anything with us, but as you are blaiming the Bible we have to justify that the Koran is similar to the Bible."

yeah, I wanted to say:
Religions are just like political parties. You can always vote one for yourself.

If religions are like parties, then you can also do propaganda for your party, I think that's what the first party wanted to achieve. But the propaganda isn't profitable because it's made too aggressive. It's like: "I tell you that and you have to accept the truth."

But as the second party doesn't think it's right to accept a truth which is illogical to them, as they rather think it's a waste of time to talk about it, they don't want to engage into it too much.

But the third party says: "We want to engage into it because we don't like somebody who just stands there, shuts the eyes and say: "I'm saying the trueth, you have to accept me."

The recent problem is this lack of communication between party No.1 and party No. 2 and 3. I think party No.1 is exaggerating, because it's not introducing Islam any more (the topic is "a quick introduction to Islam"), it's saying now: "Islam is better than Christianity, and you are the Christianity."
But party No.2 and 3 is not the Christianity because they are believing in business more than in religion (I guess)

So it's correct that we are operating a double standard. This is not good for communication.

I would suggest party No. 1 returning to "introduction of Islam"
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[k.m.m]

I do agree with you "ad-miral" where is "eme".

I dissagree with you that religien like politcs partes.... ,
In my believe and as I see religious people can not lead politics. Politics all the time lead them. May be this is a nswering so many questions.

thanks .

KMM

[eme]

Hi....

Thank you k.m.m & ad-miral for your replaies...

In fact, each person has his own thoughts and belives which we all should respect it..

Islam doesn't force anybody to be a muslim but asks people to read more and more about it to know what is islam and it's goals to chose their way in their life...

Thanks

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[ad-miral]

[black sea]

Hi everyone


I just want tell you that Islam is really the best religion in the world

Many people who enter Islam said that , also they said they life changed in better and they are so happy

I know some who change his religion from christen to Muslim and then he also get married with Muslim girl, they are happy in there life




That's what I can said

Thanks a lot for Nice Topic

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