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[sridatta]

God being the generator of space, is beyond space and therefore, can never be imagined

The unimaginable God is beyond the four-dimensional model of space and time. You can imagine the dissolution of matter converting into energy filling the space. Subsequently you can imagine the disappearance of energy in the space and the result is final vacuum. But, even if you try for your lifetime, you can never imagine the disappearance of vacuum.

God being the generator of space is beyond space and therefore, can never be imagined. If you have to imagine God, the pre-requisite is the imagination of disappearance of space or vacuum. Of course space is a form of very fine energy and in this context the word energy used by Me can be taken as crude form of energy. The only knowledge about God is that He is beyond the knowledge (Yasyaamatam� Veda).

[pugachevV]

You are imagining that God is the generator of space. In your mind, whether you admit it or not, you have a picture of what God might look like.
It's arrant nonsense to say God can't be imagined.

[CP]

[sridatta]

[pugachevV]

The word "unimaginable" is not just used in relation to god. The word means, difficult or impossible to comprehend or imagine.. There are many things like that. I find, for instance, gravity is difficult to imagine. I know what it does, but what does it look like?

If you don't understand something, it doesn't mean god did it.
If I say "I cannot utter that." It means,"I can't say that." It certainly doesn't mean, "I have said that."
Your grasp of logic seems to be a little shaky.
It is not the same to indicate god through silence as it is to use the word unimaginable to describe it. The word "unimaginable" does not improve on the silence.
If you are quoting Veda to me, which Veda are you quoting?
And, since the Hindu religion, of which the Vedas are a part, has many gods, all of which have physical representations, all its gods are imaginable. I accept that it's possible that you personally have a limited imagination. All men are not necessarily created equal (the US Declaration of Independence notwithstanding) but most Hindus, Christians, Muslims and Jews, apparently have no difficulty in imagining the gods they worship.

[sridatta]

[pugachevV]

According to Gita, nobody knows anything about God.
So how do you know it exists?
If something exists, somewhere, somebody will know about it.

[Anuradha Chepur]

@Sridatta:
You seem to have gotten your arguments all mixed up. I'm not sure Gita says that, although I'm not in a frame of mind to take up the debate in detail. Would need a lot of time and research.
I appreciate the non-confrontational tone of your posts, though. However, I only vertical read them, if at all. So I could be wrong.

[Bob S.]

[Anuradha Chepur]

There is online Gita - searchable. But the phrase 'Mamtu veda Nakaschana' Sridatta is quoting is not to be found. Probably he could tell us the chapter and verse number and I can find out.

Gita, though largely Krishna's explanations for doubts raised by Arjuna, also involves dialogues between other people involved in the Mahabharata war. So just quoting a word, a phrase, or a verse doesn't suffice. It counts who said that, in what context.

[Anuradha Chepur]

I think Sridatta agrees that phrase is not there in Gita.

[1201]

well. i don't think god exists.
even if he is real and unimaginable someone who creates whole universe, and throw people away in hell, i still don't believe it exists.
because something that can't be explained, imagined, and proved is not different with not existing.
you should bring evidence to persuade that opinion to people, not just explain it by it cannot be explained