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[bjet]

Hi
I have just read every opinions today, all of these are very interesting.
I agree with every people. As I know terrorism is an issue in the present.
For example, 911 , this news I think every people know. I was very sad
with this event.
B.

[stroller]

haha, they are so silly that i think we should not pay so much attention on them. there may be some attacks, perharps, but who mind that?
in public opinion, the best thing we can do to reduce terrorism attacks is lauching attack on themselves. but where they are? they seem to be live hidely. then we get overfeared or submit them? it's just hit the target that terrorism willing to see. they almost died of joy when they find so many people focus on them.
so one thing we could do is let the pubic calm on this issue. we should think in this way, more people lose their lives on the war much more than terrorism losses each year. since we can do nothing to protect ourselves, let army do that, go your life in normal and terrorists could only find that what they do could affect so few. then many of them may give up their courses.

[Anxious Heart]

[LucentShade]

The focus on terrorism is part of the smoke-and-mirrors act that the elites use to divert attention away from the real issues, like economic inequality, that have been mentioned in earlier posts. As long as the American (or other) people are consumed by fear of big explosions and deadly chemical attacks, they won't care if the government sacrifices social services and other things like funding for education and infrastructure in order to buy more weapons and fight more wars. As long as the terrorists are the enemy, they won't notice the corporations and the people that run them becoming extremely wealthy, while at the same time the lower classes in the US and all over the world are becoming poorer and suffering greatly.

[Anxious Heart]

[marjorierommy]

i think that he violence is not the way to express your ideas, so i�m against the war, and all the things that Bush have been doing in IRAK sucks, and i think the same about Bin la den. there are a lot of ways to show your ideas but the violence is the worse!

[liebe]

I don't think you guys know a lot about the governments in Arab countries. Those countries are run mostly by rich dictators who spend all their money on oil and who don't care a bit for their own people. They allow their people to starve and let the terrorist groups spread propaganda in their countries. Those terrorist groups come up to the poor people (who are the vast majority in those countries) and tell them that all their problems exist because of the western world and encourage them to be terrorists. Considering the fact that those people are so poor and completely uneducated, many of them feel attracted to terrorism. Destroying Al Queda alone won't do any good, because it won't solve the core of the problem. The problem is that Arab countries are run by dictatorships and the majority of the people are poor and uneducated. The way to stop it is to bring democracy to them. You might say that it's not right, to push your nose into other people's business, but really, what is the other choice? To bombard those countries once in a while? To ignore it? To criticize Israel and the U.S and support those terrorists? But would any of those really solve the problem? Those all are weaker solutions. When Hitler gained power in 1933, the world chose to ignore him, and for a long while Europe had a policy of appeasing him. Look what happened... Think about the lives that could have been saved if someone would have removed him from power already in 1933.

What do I think about the war in Iraq? It seems to me that there are two views about this subject: A. The bad Americans went and killed the innocent Iraqis. B. U.S protected itself from the bad, cruel Iraq. Those two are so simplistic, so incorrect. They are both based on propaganda. I can't tell if Bush's motives weren't selfish in the first place, but really, is removing Hussein from power and inserting democracy in Iraq such a bad thing? What is so bad, when your own selfish actions are for the benefit of eventually everybody? Right now it looks like a big mess there, it seems that it would take months to build a real democratic government there. I can't tell as to how much effort the U.S is making for this to happen, because I don't live there. Keep in mind folks, that 99% of what you see in the news is propaganda. NEVER base your opinion on a country from what you hear there. I lived in Israel for 10 years (I'm originally from Russia) and the things people say and think about Israel and the conflict there often astonish me...

Think about what I've wrote.
Would be happy to get responses,
Liebe

[Anxious Heart]

[asterix]

LucentShade is trying to make this all about the class struggle. Karl Marx would be proud of him. However that is rubbish and the idea behind terrorism is to destabilise the society against which you are committing acts of barbarism. This is then supposed to polarise it into those who support it and those who don't and attract more support.
In this present war on terrorism, it is working quite well, with the liberal press in (particularly) Britain falling over themselves in their rush to condemn anyone with enough balls to actually do something about it.
What this is really all about is that the Arabs have been trying for close to 60 years to eliminate the nation of Israel and every jew who lives there. Hitler without the Wehrmacht, in fact, since the Arab armies have been unable to defeat Israel in 3 wars despite overwhelming numerical superiority.
America is the main suporter and ally of Israel and this is an attempt to destabilise America and perhaps weaken its support for Israel to the point where the Arabs may finally prevail.

[Anxious Heart]

[liebe]

To Asterix:

You are right. The amount of anti-Semitic propaganda in the Arab countries is unbelievable. Here's, for example, a typical math problem in a Palestinian school: "A great Islamic hero blows himself up in Tel Aviv, killing 12 Jewish pigs. Another great hero blows himself up in Jerusalem, killing unfortunately only 9 Zionistic swine. How many *beep*' Israelis were killed today by great Islamic heroes?" No, I'm not exaggerating it. In a typical Arab newspaper you'd find anti-Semitic descriptions of the Jews and the things they supposedly do--that they eat Arabic children, drink their blood, and so on. Very reminiscent of the Nazi propaganda during the Third Reich or the anti-Semitic propaganda in middle-aged Europe.

To Anxious Heart:

You need to fight fire with fire. IT IS difficult to persuade those people to believe in democracy, especially since they've been taught to hate the western world and its ideas since childhood. But when their countries are ruled by ruthless dictatorships, it is absolutely impossible. I don't see any other way except for removing the dictators standing in power... They are human beings like us, it's just that they are uneducated and taught to hate us. Talking to them alone, without taking any actions, won't do any good.

By the way guys, I am not sure if those European countries that opposed the war opposed it because of feeling sorry for the "innocent" "poor" Iraqis. After all, people are starving everyday in Africa, yet Europe never showed much concern about them. I think that they are just afraid of the U.S becoming too powerful; the idea of the U.S doing what it wants to doesn't please anyone. Also, they don't want any problems with terrorists. They look at the U.S and the September 11, at the terrorist attack in Madrid, they just don't want to have the same problems and choose the easiest way out.

Historically, Arab countries used to be scientifically advanced (at times, even more advanced than Europe), before the Islam dominated them. It's just the Islamic fundamentalism that stops them from any progress, and they, instead of seeing it, only blame the West for all their problems.

[yuttakit]

Hello, My name Bandit. I�m a Thai student. I very interested about terrorism, because nowadays my country have problem about terrorism . Everyday I must to read news from newspeper or watch television.
In my opinion I think terrorism is the biggest problem for everybody. There are many terrorism in the world, and many countries are damaged from these situations. There are many factors of this problem, such as the different of idea, aspiration and religion. It�s necessary to find a method to protect and solve problem. Many people can remember terrorism in USA. A lot of people was to be dead. Osama Bin laden is the leader of terrorism. 80 countries around the world must to be come extinct people from terrorism. The terrorism is same the black shade.
It�s hard to find solution to solve this problem, because it�s big problem. But I think we can solve it, every country on the world are co-operation to protect and destroy the terrorism.

[LucentShade]

[LucentShade]