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[RedRose]

If people have the right to live how they choose, do they also have the right to die how they choose?

Many patients are suffering from terrible diseases, and some of them actually wanna die so as to get rid of their pains. but not all patients can die how they choose. for example, in China, Euthanasia isn't allowed yet. so many patients have to go through their terrible miseries before his clock shikes.

IMHO, I think all patients have such rights to choose how to die. because they don't have to experience those terrible pains from diseases.

What do you think? guys?

[RedRose]

[RedRose]

then that old man didn't wanna die at all! he had rights to live! his kids could have sued those Doctors!

[Bob S.]

[RedRose]

Bob, I am sure you don't really know how patients feel when death and pain are coming to them anyway. and human being still can't make a breakthough in some diseases, such as cancer, lyssa.

When these patients are approaching the end of life, the severe pain will inenvitably torture them.

When I mentioned "right to die", I was saying that a patient should have the right, I didn't mean that a doctor must be the one executing the procedure.

[Bob S.]

[RedRose]

[stellara]

but when a patient can't speak or express himself anymore, then how do you decide if he should die becaus ethere's no recovery possible or if he should stay alive?

how can a doctor trust a fa,ily member when there's the possibility that this member just wants to heir?

it may be a cruel thought, but when for a patient there's really no chance, not even a slight one, to recover, should one let him stay in the hospital, alive (if you can call it so) and occupying a hospital bed that may save another life? i've heard that some hospitaly have to reject patient becaus ethere are no beds left. so should a patient who might have a real chance to recover die because another one "has to live"?

and, by the way, some kinds of cancer aren't absolutely lethal anymore. there are researches and even already some medicaments to prevent, heal cancer or at least make it chronical.

[Bob S.]

[stellara]

[RedRose]

[Jennifer Gartner]

Is the issue about 'right to die' or is it about physician-assisted suicide/euthanasia legalization? You see, these things differ.

As a matter of fact, everyone has right to die. This right is natural and inalienable.

As for PAS legalization, the matter needs to be seriously discussed. We all should remember that complete legalization will likely entail severe after-effects like abuse and discrimination.

As population ages government needs to spend more on various social and medical programs more costs year after year. Is PAS legalization not the way to preserve costs? Or consider terminally ill patient's relatives who have had enough of endless nursing. Will there be strong obstention not to request *legal* asisisted suicide or euthanasia?
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[Jennifer Gartner]

btw, consider the Dutch experience.

They legalized euthanasia and assisted suicide in the 80s. To protect patients from abuse they invented safeguards, regulations that they thought would protect ther poor, patients with mental and physical disorders, etc. from potential abuse, but... it didn't work.

Today, though euthanasia is not that popular there, people got used to cases of abuse that relate to euthanasia in medical institutions.
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[Jennifer Gartner]

[Jennifer Gartner]

However, this 'do not harm' principle is quite two-fold.
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