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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:01 pm    Post subject: Major Canadian Christian Missionary Converts to Islam Reply with quote

Major Canadian Christian Missionary Converts to Islam


By: Dr Garry Miller

A very important Christian missionary converted to Islam and became a major herald for Islam, he was a very active missionary and was very knowledgeable about the Bible...

This man likes mathematics so much, that's why he likes logic. One day, he decided to read the Quran to try to find any mistakes that he might take advantage of while inviting Muslims to convert to Christianity.... He expected the Koran to be an old book written 14 centuries ago, a book that talks about the desert and so on...He was amazed from what he found. He discovered that this Book had what no other book in the world has.... He expected to find some stories about the hard time that the Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) had, like the death of his wife Khadijah (may Allah be pleased with her) or the death of his sons and daughters...however, he did not find anything like that... and what made him even more confused is that he found a full "sura"(chapter) in the Koran named "Mary" that contains a lot of respect to Mary(peace be upon her) which is not the case even in the books written by Christians nor in their bibles. He did not find a Sura named after "Fatimah"(the prophet's daughter) nor "Aishah"(the Prophet's wife), may Allah(God) be pleased with both of them. He also found that the name of Jesus(Peace Be Upon Him) was mentioned in the Koran 25 times while the name of "Mohammed"(Peace Be Upon Him) was mentioned only 4 times, so he became more confused. He started reading the Koran more thoroughly hoping to find a mistake but he was shocked when he read a great verse which is verse number 82 in Surat Al-Nisa'a(Women) that says:

“Do they not consider the Koran (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy”.

Dr Miller says about this verse: “ One of the well known scientific principles is the principle of finding mistakes or looking for mistakes in a theory until it’s proved to be right (Falsification Test)…what’s amazing is that the Holy Quran asks Muslims and non-muslims to try to find mistakes in this book and it tells them that they will never find any”. He also says about this verse: no writer in the world has the courage to write a book and say that it’s empty of mistakes, but the Quran, on the contrary, tells you that it has no mistakes and asks you to try to find one and you won’t find any.

Another verse that Dr Miller reflected on for a long time is the verse number 30 in Surat “Al-Anbiya’a”(The Prophets): “ Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

He says: ”this verse is exactly the subject of the scientific research that won the Noble prize in 1973 and was about the theory of the “Great Explosion”. According to this theory, the universe was the result of a great explosion that lead to the formation of the universe with its skies and planets.

Dr Miller says: “now we come to what’s amazing about the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and what’s pretended about the devils helping him, God says: “No evil ones have brought down this (Revelation), it would neither suit them nor would they be able (to produce it). Indeed they have been removed far from even (a chance of) hearing it”(26:210-212). “When thou does read the Quran, seek Allah's protection from Satan the Rejected One”16:98

You see? can this be the devil’s way to write a book? how can he write a book then tells you to ask God for protection from this devil before reading that book? those are miraculous verses in this miraculous book! and has a logical answer to those who pretend that it’s from the devil”. And among the stories that amazed Dr Miller is the story of the Prophet(PBUH) with Abu-Lahab… Dr Miller says: “this man(Abu Lahab) used to hate Islam so much that he would go after the Prophet wherever he goes to humiliate him. If he saw the prophet talking to strangers, he used to wait till he finishes and then ask them: what did Mohammed tell you? If he said it’s white then it’s in reality black and if he said it’s night then it’s day. He meant to falsify all what the prophet says and to make people suspicious about it. And 10 years before the death of Abu Lahab, a sura was inspired to the prophet, named “Al-Masad”. This sura tells that Abu Lahab will go to hell, in other words, it says that Abu Lahab will not convert to Islam. During 10 years, Abu Lahab could have said: “Mohammed is saying that I will not become a Muslim and that I will go to the hell fire, but I’m telling you now that I want to convert to Islam and become a Muslim. What do you think about Mohammed now? Is he saying the truth or no? Does his inspiration come from God?”. But Abu Lahab did not do that at all although he was disobeying the prophet in all matters, but not in this one. In other words, it was as if the prophet(PBUH) was giving Abu Lahab a chance to prove him wrong! But he did not do that during 10 whole years! he did not convert to Islam and did not even pretend to be a Muslim!! Throughout 10 years, he had the chance to destroy Islam in 1 minute! But this did not happen because those are not the words of Mohammed (PBUH) but the words of God Who knows what’s hidden and knows that Abu Lahab will not become a Muslim.

How can the prophet (PBUH) know that Abu Lahab will prove what is said in that Sura if this was not inspiration from Allah? How can he be sure throughout 10 whole years that what he has (the Quran) is true if he did not know that it’s inspiration from Allah?? For a person to take such a risky challenge, this has only one meaning: that this is inspiration from God.

“Perish the hands of the Father of Flame (Abu Lahab)! perish he! No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains! Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of blazing Flame! His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood; As fuel! A twisted rope of palm-leaf fibre round her (own) neck!”(surat Al-Masad).

Dr Miller says about a verse that amazed him: one of the miracles in the Quran is challenging the future with things that humans cannot predict and to which the “Falsification Test” applies, this test consists of looking for mistakes until the thing that is being tested is proved to be right. For example, let’s see what the Quran said about the relation between Muslims and Jews. Quran says that Jews are the major enemies for Muslims and this is true until now as the main enemy for Muslims are the Jews.

Dr Miller continues: this is considered a great challenge since the Jews have the chance to ruin Islam simply by treating Muslims in a friendly way for few years and then say: here we are treating you as friends and the Quran says that we are your enemies, the Quran must be wrong then! But this did not happen during 1400 years!! and it will never happen because those are the words of The One who knows the unseen (God) and not the words of humans.

Dr Miller continues: can you see how the verse that talks about the enmity between Muslims and Jews constitutes a challenge to the human mind? “Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! We believe; write us down among the witnesses”(5: 82-84)

This verse applies to Dr Miller as he was a Christian but when he knew the truth, he believed and converted to Islam and became a herald. May Allah support him.

Dr Miller says about the unique style of the Quran that he finds wonderful: no doubt there is something unique and amazing in Quran that is not present anywhere else, as the Quran gives you a specific information and tells you that you did not know this before. For example: "This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Prophet!) by inspiration: thou was not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Maryam: nor was thou with them when they disputed (the point)”(3: 44).

“Such are some of the stories of the Unseen, which We have revealed unto thee: before this, neither thou nor thy People knew them. So persevere patiently: for the End is for those who are righteous”(11: 49). “Such is one of the stories of what happened unseen, which We reveal by inspiration unto thee: nor was thou (present) with them when they concerted their plans together in the process of weaving their plots”(12: 102)

Dr Miller continues: “no other holy book uses this style, all the other books consist of information that tells you where this information came from. For example, when the (distorted) holy bible talks about the stories of the ancient nations, it tells you that a this king lived in a this place and a that leader fought in that battle, and that a certain person had a number of kids and their names are…. But this book (distorted Bible) always tells you that if you want to know more, you can read a certain book since that information came from that book”.

Dr Garry Miller continues: “this is in contrary to the Quran which gives you the information and tells you that it’s new!! And what’s amazing is that the people of Mecca at that time -time of inspiration of those verses- used to hear those verses and the challenge that the information in those verses was new and was not known by Mohammed (PBUH) nor by his people at that time, and despite that, they never said: we know this and it is not new, and they did not say: we know where Mohammed came from with those verses. This never happened, but what happened is that nobody dared to say that he was lying to them because those was really new information, not coming from the human mind but from Allah who knows the unseen in the past, the present and the future”.

May Allah reward Dr Miller for this nice reflection on the Book of Allah
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:39 pm    Post subject: Distorted Holy Bible? Reply with quote

If Dr. Gary Miller believes that there are no disputes and no mistakes in the Quran, then why are there many different sects among Islam (just like the Christians)? For example, you have Sunni Islam and Shi'ite Islam. Why are there Sunni Muslims and Shi'ite muslims who study the same Quran but end up with different doctrines just like the Catholics and the Protestants?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:50 pm    Post subject: to diana Reply with quote

in the name of allah
hallo my friend " diana"
first, i am not good in english language , so i am so sorry if there are any mistakes in my reply. Embarassed
second , our prophet mohammad told us that his nation will separate to 73 sections. all of these are wrong ,but only one is right and will be enter heaven.this one is people who follow sunnah of prophet mohammad and sahaba(companion of the prophet)
so , it is not odd that there are many sections .
also, i searched about your question and i found the answer about it in agood site .and this is the answer


With regard to the view that if the Qur’aan were not distorted there would not be all these many sects such as the Shi’ah and other groups.
The answer to that is that the Qur’aan cannot force people to choose the right path, because the Qur’aan is simply guidance (and it is up to people to choose). Allaah has warned us about these sects and groups, and He has forbidden us to imitate the nations who became divided in religious matters. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“and be not of Al?Mushrikoon (the polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah).
Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islamic Monotheism), and became sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid‘ah), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it”
[al-Room 30:31-32]
“And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:105]
Allaah has commanded them to adhere to His Book and to follow the Sunnah (way, path) of His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meanings):
“And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e. this Qur’aan), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allaah’s Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allaah makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:103]
“O you who believe! Make not (a decision) in advance before Allaah and His Messenger, and fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is All?Hearing, All?Knowing”
[al-Hujuraat 49:1]
i.e., do not say or do anything that goes against the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
What is meant here is that Allaah forbade the people to split into various groups, and He commanded them to be united, but they followed their own whims and desires, and they cast the Book of Allaah behind their backs, and if they were confused about a verse from the Book of Allaah, they did not refer to the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in order to understand it, rather they let their own opinion and corrupt reasoning be the judge. All of that is not from the Qur’aan and not from the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh booooy. Rolling Eyes These posts are so interesting. I'm beginning to think they are turning the forums into a religious discussion.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taking Jews as an example, what Koran says those are the major enemies for the Muslims. Absolutely the book makes the followers who are fool enough to believe increase hatred of Jews without reasons. If they all have the belief in mind, it is not strange that they will fight against Jews to the last drop of their blood, and what the evil book says comes true. Sounds as if they know the future from it but in truth they create the same future as what they read.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:27 am    Post subject: Tolerance Reply with quote

Among the Christian religion, they don't always agree with each other, but we among the Catholic faith never say that those of the Protestant faith will not enter Heaven. We both believe in the same God regardless of the different doctrines.

Also, the Pope who is the leader of the Catholic Church have called for tolerance among all three of the major religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:47 am    Post subject: I'm doomed!!!! Reply with quote

saraaa wrote:

our prophet mohammad told us that his nation will separate to 73 sections. all of these are wrong ,but only one is right and will be enter heaven.


How fatalistic. "Either ya is or ya isn't." I guess since I will never be among the "choosen" that being good and living in peace don't have any benefits over doing whatever I want.

<<sarcasm>>Excuse me now, I must go roll an old woman for $5.<</sarcasm>>
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ha ha ha Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: Major Canadian Christian Missionary Converts to Islam Reply with quote

Islam means peace , so it is the relegion of peace.people are equal in islam .it is not important you are white or black , poor or rich . the important is to do good things such as help people ,respecting parents ,to be kind and so on...........
you do all of that not to get money or to be famous but to enter heaven.
my brother wing said:

Quote:
and what the evil book says comes true


my answer is :

saraaa wrote:
Major Canadian Christian Missionary Converts to Islam


Dr Miller says: &#8220;now we come to what&#8217;s amazing about the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and what&#8217;s pretended about the devils helping him, God says: &#8220;No evil ones have brought down this (Revelation), it would neither suit them nor would they be able (to produce it). Indeed they have been removed far from even (a chance of) hearing it&#8221;(26:210-212). &#8220;When thou does read the Quran, seek Allah's protection from Satan the Rejected One&#8221;16:98

You see? can this be the devil&#8217;s way to write a book? how can he write a book then tells you to ask God for protection from this devil before reading that book? those are miraculous verses in this miraculous book! and has a logical answer to those who pretend that it&#8217;s from the devil&#8221;.

finally .let us live this situation with our prophet mohammad .
"his neighbour was jew .this neighbour tries to hurt the prophet .the neighbour throw rubbish infront of prophet's door. the neighbour always do that .one day ,the prophet mohammad did not see rubbish in front his door .
prophet asked about his jewish neighbour .people told him that the neighbour 's son is ill.so , prophet mohammad immediately visit his neighbour .
this visiting changed jewish neighbour and he became muslim.
this situation is really evidence that islam is the relegion of mercy , love ,and peace .
my tears were dropped down when i remember this situation .( i love my prophet mohammad) he is really the prophet of mercy .
for more about islam , please visit this sites


http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=topics

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&dgn=3

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Major Canadian Christian Missionary Converts to Islam Reply with quote

saraaa wrote:
Islam means peace , so it is the relegion of peace.


Islam is a religion of the sword You know this.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islam is a terrorist organisation as much as it is a religion.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes HA HA HA HA Laughing This is so becoming a flaming post.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: Major Canadian Christian Missionary Converts to Islam Reply with quote

saraaa wrote:
Islam [/color]means peace , so it is the relegion of peace.people are equal in islam .it is not important you are white or black , poor or ......
my brother wing said: ...and what the evil book says comes true


my answer is :

[quote="saraaa"]Major Canadian Christian Missionary Converts to Islam

(Hey, there is no need to take my words out of context.)

Anyone, including whom you emphasize, has the freedom to convert to any religions or sects as long as they like, but it cannot prove anything.
Just go on singing the old song yourself. Islam means ...oh please, no matter you are white or black, poor or rich, only if you are not an American.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In The Name Of Allah


hallo everyone ,
sorry i did not enter internet for days ago , beacause i have many responsibilities .
now , return to our subject

Islam

Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:
[color=red]God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers
(Quran, 60

The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,1 and he would advise them: {...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}2 And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}

Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.4

He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.6}7

Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}8

He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet was asked, &#8220;Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?&#8221; He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}9



for wing
there are many many americans convert to Islam
look at to my next topic




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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Religion should not be forced upon someone who doesn't wish to hear of it. At least that's my opinion. if someone wants to know about it, they'll ask. Rolling Eyes
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