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AmorFati



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: ECC Japan Mock Lesson / ECC Interview / Grammar Test info. Reply with quote

Hey,

I posted a help topic recently but some mods deemed it necessary to delete it. I'm not sure why, maybe it was the semi-very-minorly-inflammatory nature of the post. Anyway, here it is again, sans the flames of disgruntled disappointment.

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So, you've decided to apply to ECC Japan, a corporation with the mission of "uniting the world in peace and love." You, like me, are probably feeling some trepidation as your interview date inches closer. You may have been rejected from JET, and you are hoping to score with ECC. Well, before you even put too much thought into it, I recommend you know this...

Would people describe you are being an excitable ball or inexhaustable joy, energy, and happiness? When doing your laundry, surfing the internet, or painting a wooden fence, do you make it look like it is the most ridiculously fun thing anyone could ever do? If so, you will almost defintiely be accepted.

Would people describe you are serious, cynical, aloof, down-to-earth, reserved, shy, academic, ambitious, rational, or sarcastic? If so, you will almost definitely be rejected.

Sadly, it quite literally is as simple as that. Even if you "can be exciting and crazy around friends," like me, you have to come off as an intrinsically and genuinely exciting and happy person at all times, no matter what you are doing. That is what they are looking for, and if you don't have it, you don't stand a very good chance.

MOVING ON:

If you have appied to the Toronto office, you will probably interview with John Barrie in a small room barely big enough to hold an eight person table. Nice atmosphere, however, so the room size isn't that problematic. John looks a lot like Toby from the American version of the Office, but this isn't that important. It's just to give you a general idea of what to expect from the scene.

Anyway, you will be interviewing with 5 other people probably, at most. The first two or three hours will be reading over an information packet, asking questions, and hearing about how ECC wants to unite the world in peace, love, and prosperity by breaking town language barriers.

After this session, you will break for lunch. I recommend bringing your own. After coming back from lunch, John will do a teaching demonstration and you will be expected to follow. You may have to do it alone or with two others, but since alone would probably take too much time, I am guessing it will be with two others.

In your demo lesson, you will have to teach vocabulary words as well as some words to put it in context. For exampe, you may teach "soccer" and "I can/can't play." Pretty simple. I'd hate to say preparation doesn't matter, but it doesn't. If you don't have the energy to naturally wing it, you won't be accepted anyway.

You will get a card that looks (to the best of my memory) like this:

WORDS: Soccer, Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey
BASIS: I can play/I can't play

ONLY THESE WORDS WILL BE ALLOWED DURING YOUR DEMONSTRATION

During your demonstration, make sure to get the other students up and moving. DO NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE OF NOT DOING THIS, WHATEVER YOU DO. John criticzed all six of us for not doing this.

First, you'll teach the words, then play a game. Then, you'll teach the "BASIS," and play a game. Then you'll put it together and play another game. It shouldn't take more than 10 minutes, at very most.

After the demo lesson, you'll take the grammar test and go for personal interviews. You'll probably already know if you are accepted or not based off of feedback from the demo lesson.

The interview is easy. Don't worry about it. The grammar test was easy for me, but could be hard for others. Just prepare for it, as it tries to trick you. Memorize parts of speech, even really obscure ones. Memorize common mistakes, such as was/has been, who/whom, etc. Most of the grammar test can be very easily deduced since the sections tell you what is wrong with the sentence, and then you just have to find where the "agreement" is wrong.

Anyway, good luck with ECC and I hope you have much fun in Japan. Hopefully this helps. Feel free to send me a PM if you have any questions.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my interview in Toronto with John, and he seemed quite nice. There were 4-5 other people doing their interviews that same day, but we all were given our own topics to present individually for our demo lesson. We were given the topics randomly right before our lunch began, and I was so worked up trying to think of the best way to present the sports words I was given, that I barely ate at all. The entire day was GO GO GO, but once the demo lesson is over, the rest is pretty much a breeze. I was shocked to hear that so many people on this board have found the ECC grammar test to be hard. It struck me as common sense things mostly, and things that any native speaker should be able to answer with a bit of thought. John gives everyone an hour to write the test, but most people don't need the entire time...Or at least that was the case for everyone interviewing on the same day I was doing so. And yes, after that was the individual "interview", if that's what you could even call it. It was pretty much just the questions: "When would you be available to go to Japan?" and "What do you think your biggest strength is? Biggest weakness?"...The rest is just about personal preferences, and he gives you a sense, then and there, if you've gotten the job or not. I am not sure how many people got hired from my session, as we did not keep in touch and John/ECC does not make tat info public. I suppose, though, that the demo is the most tell-tale of all the parts of the day....Well, that and credentials and/or experience living in Japan or else where abroad. ECC seems like a decent company and I'm sorry that things didn't work out for you, but I don't think their system is much different from the other Eikaiwas, in terms of happy-personality expectations. The COMPANY is a COMPANY...They are not a public school, and John made that quite clear. They don't fail sutdents. They encourage them to improve, and try to entertain them while exposing them to English/North American language and culture. Just as any company would, they are trying to sell their product, and whether it's really fair or not for employees to have to appear happy all the time, that is what they want and need to be financially successful. Sarcastic and dull, academic people are not an appealing after-school choice for most Japanese kids/adolescents. Heck, I wouldn't want to be bored after being drilled with academics all day at school...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mapleblondie wrote:
I did my interview in Toronto with John, and he seemed quite nice. There were 4-5 other people doing their interviews that same day, but we all were given our own topics to present individually for our demo lesson. We were given the topics randomly right before our lunch began, and I was so worked up trying to think of the best way to present the sports words I was given, that I barely ate at all. The entire day was GO GO GO, but once the demo lesson is over, the rest is pretty much a breeze. I was shocked to hear that so many people on this board have found the ECC grammar test to be hard. It struck me as common sense things mostly, and things that any native speaker should be able to answer with a bit of thought. John gives everyone an hour to write the test, but most people don't need the entire time...Or at least that was the case for everyone interviewing on the same day I was doing so. And yes, after that was the individual "interview", if that's what you could even call it. It was pretty much just the questions: "When would you be available to go to Japan?" and "What do you think your biggest strength is? Biggest weakness?"...The rest is just about personal preferences, and he gives you a sense, then and there, if you've gotten the job or not. I am not sure how many people got hired from my session, as we did not keep in touch and John/ECC does not make tat info public. I suppose, though, that the demo is the most tell-tale of all the parts of the day....Well, that and credentials and/or experience living in Japan or else where abroad. ECC seems like a decent company and I'm sorry that things didn't work out for you, but I don't think their system is much different from the other Eikaiwas, in terms of happy-personality expectations. The COMPANY is a COMPANY...They are not a public school, and John made that quite clear. They don't fail sutdents. They encourage them to improve, and try to entertain them while exposing them to English/North American language and culture. Just as any company would, they are trying to sell their product, and whether it's really fair or not for employees to have to appear happy all the time, that is what they want and need to be financially successful. Sarcastic and dull, academic people are not an appealing after-school choice for most Japanese kids/adolescents. Heck, I wouldn't want to be bored after being drilled with academics all day at school...


I didn't want to come across as if I was just feeling sore and vindictive. I completely understand why they didn't accept me, and I'm not sore or ashamed about it. If I were a young kid, I would absolutely need to be entertained by a high energy and explosively happy person as well. I'm not boring, but I'm just not at all silly; most people aren't. If you want to reach to children, you just have to have some of that in you.

I'm pretty sure that only 2 of the 6 in my group made it, as he expressed interest in only two of the six and also asked them to do their own, very short private demo lesson. One of them didn't do a very good job and he told them this. The other was, as soon as he walked in the door, obviously the perfect candidate.

Teaching kids just definitely isn't me. I probably shouldn't have tried. JET seems to be more the contained-yet-also-interesting-socialable-and-talented crowd of people that I see myself as, so perhaps I'll give them a shot next year. At least Toronto was a cool city.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they like Brits at ECC? I was thinking of putting in an application.
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Ashtonmd



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too had my ECC interview in Toronto with John. It went similar to as mentioned above. However if someone has an interview coming up I would like to throw in my 2 cents:

The grammar test - while not necessarily "hard" for a native English speaker, those that did not study English or linguistics, or are not actual teachers may find it a little tricky. I personally have a degree in biology, so for me there were a few grammar terms I had never seen before and a few (10 I think) teaching terms all of which I just winged. Over all I think I did well considering I was the only person in my interview of 5 people that had no linguistics background.

The demo - ok so this really isn't a big deal at all. I have to admit that this was what I was most concerned about - but you have to think that everyone is going to be doing it too, and who cares you're probably never going to see these people again! I did my topic with one other person. We chose to do animals: tiger, monkey, giraffe and snake - with the phrase being "what is it?" "it's a _____".
when presenting the animals I got everyone to get up and start acting like the animal and saying its name. (if you were 5 i think it would be fun??) And then to introduce the phrase I used to puppets with different voices to ask and answer the question.

Interview - lasted all of 10 mins, and was at the beginning told I should expect a job offer. Then was asked the typical questions posted above.

I did get the job offer - while it took a little longer than the 2 weeks I was told. I am happy to say that I accepted and will be starting at the beginning of November in Osaka!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats! Osaka has a lot of cool places and stuff to do.
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ironclad80



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: ECC Japan Mock Lesson / ECC Interview / Grammar Test inf Reply with quote

AmorFati wrote:

Would people describe you are serious, cynical, aloof, down-to-earth, reserved, shy, academic, ambitious, rational, or sarcastic? If so, you will almost definitely be rejected.

Would people describe you are being an excitable ball or inexhaustable joy, energy, and happiness? When doing your laundry, surfing the internet, or painting a wooden fence, do you make it look like it is the most ridiculously fun thing anyone could ever do? If so, you will almost defintiely be accepted.


Unfortunately this is absolutely true. Teaching certifications/experience, college grades, living abroad experience, none of that matters if you don't have "what they want." Even the grammar test at the end doesn't bear as much weight. It's personality, nothing less, nothing more.

But in all fairness, they don't know you, they never saw you teach, all they have to judge you by is the brief, silly animals, etc. demo lesson.

It's quite possible fantastic would-be teachers slip through the cracks because of their system but don't fret, there are jobs out there that value experience, letters of recommendations from experienced teachers, etc...
Just be patient, an ECC rejection isn't the end of the world.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:25 am    Post subject: Re: ECC Japan Mock Lesson / ECC Interview / Grammar Test inf Reply with quote

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Teaching certifications/experience, college grades, living abroad experience, none of that matters if you don't have "what they want."


People talk about this point as if it were some divine revelation.

I'm a DoS at a British 'eikaiwa' (I hate the term - it's misleading), and will always choose one teacher over an equally qualified other based on "what I want". It's not rocket science, it's: (a) business, and (b) choosing the best teacher available to suit the situation - the philosophy of the school, the other staff, the students...

I mean seriously - does no-one recognise that, ultimately, a teacher that can put their students at ease and have a little fun with them will actually ensure that they learn more?

It might seem strange, but the big eikaiwa know what kind of staff make the most business sense for them. If you get turned down, it doesn't automatically mean that they're crappy schools (although this may be true independently of the original premise of this old thread); or, indeed, that you're a crappy teacher - it means that they have a solid idea of what kind of staff they want. Believe it or not, and disagree with the practice or not, that's actually good Human Resource management.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Believe it or not, and disagree with the practice or not, that's actually good Human Resource management.


I do agree. It is all down to business issues. Who runs the business.

However, what about the age of candidates ? Or is a young lady or man better for the business simply for the sake of it ?

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I mean seriously - does no-one recognise that, ultimately, a teacher that can put their students at ease and have a little fun with them will actually ensure that they learn more?


In Japan, it is not really only the students that need to be educated. It is the parents, the people who pay. A student will go to any school (fun or not fun (e.g. juku)) as far as where his father or mother decides and orders. Parents who are serious need less of prancing and more experience and teaching skills from teachers. But most paretns in Japan are quite naive. No wonder other Asian countries do better at English Language than Japan. Japan's ELT business has been screwed up with its image of English as a whole. And most of this was done by a few of the large eikawa schools, who are by the way are owned by the Japanese. So the Japanese know how to milk money from their own people. We foreign teachers are just pawns. For the (small) eikaiwas that are owned foreigners, it gives them no option but to follow the "Japanese business model" to stay competitive, i,e offer prancy and smiley people.

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Inflames



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: ECC Japan Mock Lesson / ECC Interview / Grammar Test inf Reply with quote

Mr_Monkey wrote:

It might seem strange, but the big eikaiwa know what kind of staff make the most business sense for them. If you get turned down, it doesn't automatically mean that they're crappy schools (although this may be true independently of the original premise of this old thread); or, indeed, that you're a crappy teacher - it means that they have a solid idea of what kind of staff they want. Believe it or not, and disagree with the practice or not, that's actually good Human Resource management.


The inherent problem is that ECC's interview doesn't really have enough time in it to really determine if someone has "what they want." I interviewed with ECC a few years ago. There were 2 interviews. One took about 4 hours. There was the ECC information part (about 2 hours), the grammar test (about 1 hour), and the demonstration lessons (about 1 hour). From this, the recruiters largely decided whether or not to hire people (I was the only one in my group to get invited back for a personal interview, which I messed up). Some 4 hour long session where people mostly sat back and their 10 minute demo lesson, which was done in pairs.

On the other hand, I interviewed for a position teaching business English recently. I had a 30 minute phone interview, then a 3 hour long in-person interview, followed by a full 30 minute demo lesson that was videotaped. I feel confident that that company did take enough time to see whether or not candidates were a good fit (despite the fact that said company didn't bother to contact me afterwards, although the interviewer came up to me and said hi when I ran into him a few weeks later).
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not all interviewers are good at their job though you know. Confused I have a mate from Austrialia who keeps going to the same job interview and getting turned down every year even though he's a native English speaker and hes has 15 years or even more experience teaching English!!! Shocked Cool

One time they gave the job to a woman from Nepal and not to him. He says they don't really want a good qualified native teacher they want a clown. He told me I should apply to the job but I am happy where I am. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Teacher wrote:
He says they don't really want a good qualified native teacher they want a clown. He told me I should apply to the job...
You're good friends then?

Joking aside, the eikaiwa know what kind of people they want, and they make their decisions based on what they do with the time they have available. If I were hiring for a big 3/4 eikaiwa, I wouldn't hire your friend - eikaiwa teaching is an entry-level job so I would never take being knocked back by a Big 3/4 eikaiwa personally if I were in your friend's position. Indeed, I would probably take a different route in to Japan - 15 years experience is not entry-level teacher!

The significant difference between the eikaiwa interviews and a business English interview is one of volume - if the BE employer needed to go through 20 candidates, they would have to squeeze interview time. Moreover, I think the prevalence of demo lessons in hiring for Japanese eikaiwa is just a market response to a surfeit of unqualified teachers - it really is unnecessary if you hire staff with a minimum level of qualification.

I would reiterate that the eikaiwa have a rather fixed idea of what they want in their staff. I would tend to agree that they don't want "good, qualified teachers" - they want young, inexperienced teachers. The more experienced teachers will tend to want and get better jobs, and the eikaiwa have probably learned through experience that seasoned and qualified teachers are either poached by better-paying schools or leave for a better paying school at the earliest opportunity.

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It's quite possible fantastic would-be teachers slip through the cracks because of their system but don't fret, there are jobs out there that value experience, letters of recommendations from experienced teachers, etc...
Well put, and worth remembering. Want a decent job in Japan? get qualified!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting question - I left an eikaiwa to do my CELTA, and when I came back all my employers wanted to see was my certificate.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well put, and worth remembering. Want a decent job in Japan? get qualified!


I am qualified but the thing is, school's that value and appreciate qualifications pay pretty much the same as ECC and offer the same salary/benefits (and in some cases less). Not to mention the fact that they are not monster chains, therefore they have few positions and probably receive 1000's of applications. Japan is a tough commodity right now. I'm thinking Korea is in my best at this point.
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