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chryanvii
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 125
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: Is it normal for universities to observe your classes? |
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Maybe I'm making too big of a deal out of this, but my co-teacher today asked me if she could attend my class to observe next week.
Then after I complained to her about it, she told me to read the handbook...of which this policy is in there [wait...do YOUR universities have official teacher handbooks too?]
At my last university, they never did observing, and I was under the general understanding that most universities did not do this.
It's not that I have anything to hide. It's just the whole IDEA of it.
One reason I chose the university lifestyle is for complete autonomy and to get away from this kind of stuff [they would do this at my private training center all the time].
Maybe my school is just a lot more strict and systematic... |
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rogerwilco
Joined: 10 Jun 2010 Posts: 1549
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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One of my college classes was observed last week by five Chinese teachers and one administrator.
At my last college one of my classes was observed by one administrator and one Chinese teacher.
If you are really annoyed by being observed then I guess you could devote part of the class to pronunciation drills........
Doing that would probably not make you very popular with the Chinese teachers. |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 1473 Location: asia
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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The pronunciation class for the observation is pretty funny. I'd say a great idea for the local experts to see.
I had my classes observed before a couple of times. One time, when i came to the uni for the first time and one time when i confronted a few lazy students in the class. Either time, the observation was completely unprofessional as i got no official documentation about it, even though the expert observers were writing when in the class.
My suggestion to all FTs that are observed is to fight for an official feedback, which is signed by the observer and you. Then, given the feedback is favorable, you will have something to go on with. Local pros tend to change their views depending on varieties of circumstances. Don't let them beep you up unfairly! |
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Guerciotti

Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Posts: 842 Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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They observed my Business English class and asked why I don't just read the book.
They observed my Writing class twice last school year and suggested I let the students write sentences. We work on composition. I'm lucky, the students write and speak well enough.
We don't have a handbook. I shudder to think what that might contain.
They visit all the FTs classes once a semester so we may be in the minority but you're not the only one.
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7969

Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Is it normal for universities to observe your classes? |
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chryanvii wrote: |
At my last university, they never did observing, and I was under the general understanding that most universities did not do this.
It's not that I have anything to hide. It's just the whole IDEA of it. |
The idea of what? Schools doing a bit of quality control? Having your work observed by superiors/peers from time to time (rare as it is at universities) is perfectly normal in any workplace and no-one should have a problem with it. A couple of senior teachers typically observe each and every teacher in our dept. once a year and provide a critique once they're done. Some positives and some shortcomings. Accept the critique, smile, thank them and move on to your next class.
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One reason I chose the university lifestyle is for complete autonomy and to get away from this kind of stuff [they would do this at my private training center all the time].
Maybe my school is just a lot more strict and systematic... |
I can understand being peeved if you were being observed all the time, but a co-teacher asking to observe one of your classes is hardly cutting in on your autonomy. You're still free to do what you want in that class - you're simply being observed for a change. Your co-teacher asked if she could attend a class, and she was kind enough to give you fair warning. I suppose you can say no but why would you? You're making too much out of this - just let her observe and they'll leave you alone for the rest of the year. |
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Miles Smiles

Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1294 Location: Heebee Jeebee
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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In a university? Not that I am aware of. I have had people that looked to be a little old show up for one class, then never again.
In 3-year colleges? Yes. |
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dean_a_jones

Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 1151 Location: Wuhan, China
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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If they give you notice, I can't really see the problem. You are paid to do a job, and if they want to drop in from time to time, then so be it. What should concern you is the motivation (if you have been teaching for a while, there may be a reason why you are suddenly under observation) and the feedback (what, if anything do they suggest or recommend).
Don't be defensive, ask what they thought of your class and go from there. Remember there is a lot to learn from observing how others run classes. Whenever I observe another teachers class I usually leave with an interesting idea or two. |
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xiguagua

Joined: 09 Oct 2011 Posts: 768
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I don't see what you're all worked up for. I think they have a right to see your class to make sure you're doing a good enough job. Too many schools hire any ol' English speaking person for oral English class and don't worry about them. My school included. They have never supervised one of my classes, but I kinda wish they did every so often just so I can show them that I do take my job seriously and I am trying my best whereas other teachers in the past have just gone into class with no lesson prepared and just BS'd for an hour and half. |
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big_big_bang_theory_fan
Joined: 10 Aug 2011 Posts: 105
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Is it normal for universities to observe your classes? |
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chryanvii wrote: |
Maybe I'm making too big of a deal out of this, but my co-teacher today asked me if she could attend my class to observe next week.
Then after I complained to her about it, she told me to read the handbook...of which this policy is in there [wait...do YOUR universities have official teacher handbooks too?]
At my last university, they never did observing, and I was under the general understanding that most universities did not do this.
It's not that I have anything to hide. It's just the whole IDEA of it.
One reason I chose the university lifestyle is for complete autonomy and to get away from this kind of stuff [they would do this at my private training center all the time].
Maybe my school is just a lot more strict and systematic... |
You apparently never read your contract despite signing it. The contract, assuming you are legally employed accounts that Party A is responsible for the evaluation of Party B which is clearly known to be to be evaluated and judged.
If you have such a problem - head to the airport.
It's ridiculous to think that you have some special need to not be evaluated, judged, monitored, or so on as to your employment performance. Is that what you are in China? Had performance/evaluation issues back home that prevent you from holding a professional position?
It's the blunt. What are you so afraid of? Sort of hypocritical in my opinion. My guess is that you don't have any ACTUAL or true qualifications anyway to do the job. |
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TexasHighway
Joined: 03 Dec 2005 Posts: 779
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Your co-teacher may want to observe, get ideas, evaulate you or just receive a free English lesson. As long as it is only once, I wouldn't worry too much about it. If it bothers you, maybe you could show a movie that day. |
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Shroob
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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I was recently observed (the firs time the foreign teachers had been), I had mixed feelings about it. On the one hand I worried they thought I may not be up to the job, especially as Chinese teaching methods are so different. On the other hand, as a newly qualified CELTA graduate, I welcomed the feedback and how my bosses thought I was doing and how to improve.
Like the other poster the assessors took notes throughout, but the only feedback I got was verbal, you've just reminded me to ask for a hard copy of their notes. |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 1473 Location: asia
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:27 am Post subject: |
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If they give you notice, I can't really see the problem. You are paid to do a job, and if they want to drop in from time to time, then so be it. |
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Schools doing a bit of quality control? Having your work observed by superiors/peers from time to time (rare as it is at universities) is perfectly normal in any workplace and no-one should have a problem with it. |
Not only the notice is necessary but also the expectations. The two posts above do not consider the fact that local educators have a rather different approach to teaching and to teaching English. Their idea of a quality does not usually constitute a qualified and experienced foreign teacher's idea of a quality. So, i do see problems with such practices. I am surprised you do not. However, feel free to elaborate how the local professional teachers are similar to the western ones. And, we are talking about local universities that are practically degree mills. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:47 am Post subject: |
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I would ask if you could do some observing also. Maybe check the English-quality in Chinese teachers who teach English on campus. Do some 'quality control' of your own.
If they say no, ask them why not?
Quid Pro Quo.
I do not believe that this is 'quality control' as some may assert. It's 'content control'. They are probably making sure you do not go over the line culturally or talking about naughty things. It's possible you overstepped the boundaries (said some 'yellow' things, said something political, criticized China too much... etc.)
Your class has a political monitor. It is not difficult to find out who it is, usually the one who attends all the classes without fail and will not argue or get into debates. (out themselves) It is possible he/she told on you.
You are not going overboard at all, in my opinion. |
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dean_a_jones

Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 1151 Location: Wuhan, China
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:10 am Post subject: |
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igorG wrote: |
Not only the notice is necessary but also the expectations. The two posts above do not consider the fact that local educators have a rather different approach to teaching and to teaching English. Their idea of a quality does not usually constitute a qualified and experienced foreign teacher's idea of a quality. So, i do see problems with such practices.I am surprised you do not. However, feel free to elaborate how the local professional teachers are similar to the western ones. And, we are talking about local universities that are practically degree mills |
While I agree that there may be certain differences in what is expected, I am still not sure how this therefore means the school does not have the right to assess teaching staff. You are hired and paid to do a job by an employer, they have the right to hold you to whatever expectations you agreed to uphold upon starting. Done the right way, observation and feedback can be really useful, especially for newer teachers.
If these expectations are not clear, however, then that might be a problem.
As others have suggested, I would request constructive feedback, preferably written down.
The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
I do not believe that this is 'quality control' as some may assert. It's 'content control'. They are probably making sure you do not go over the line culturally or talking about naughty things. It's possible you overstepped the boundaries (said some 'yellow' things, said something political, criticized China too much... etc.) |
This may be true (hence why I said above you might be concerned why they suddenly decided to do it). But generally speaking, schools that implement quality control systems and encourage this kind of thing seem to be at least trying to do a professional job.
To put it into context, in my school I sit in on foreign teachers classes a couple of times a semester as part of my role as head foreign teacher and provide written feedback each time. Teachers are also encouraged to sit in on other FTs classes (particularly those teaching the same subjects) to get ideas about content, methodology etc. FTs are also allowed to drop in on CTs classes so they can see what is being done across other subjects as we generally teach classes focused on speaking (but may be covering similar topics/language skills).
On the rare occasions when a teacher has had complaints against them based on content, the teacher is usually made aware of this in a one-on-one meeting rather than just observed. |
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choudoufu

Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:15 am Post subject: |
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no quid pro quo.
you are an employee, they are your employer.
they have every right to observe your work.
advance notice would be nice, but not required. |
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