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Wolfsong
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 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:49 am Post subject: Are full salaries paid in the vacation in China? |
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| I ask because I was sent three contracts none of which paid full salary during the vacation. One worked out to be around $50 a week during the winter vacation. What's others experience? |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Public Universities (generally) pay for winter vacation. Summer vacation pay is sometimes negotiable or if the FAO really cares, she'll find you work while you live in your university apartment.
Things are changing at public universities and colleges, and it seems that austerity programs have become more common.
Language schools and other private concerns are probably different. |
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Wolfsong
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
Things are changing at public universities and colleges, and it seems that austerity programs have become more common.
Language schools and other private concerns are probably different. |
I thought there was an element of austerity involved. I should have made it clear that it's private companies. But interesting to know. Thanks. |
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doogsville
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| My uni pays you for the summer holiday if you sign on again. The new contract starts the day after the previous one finishes. My experience of private schools was that there were no long holidays, just summer camp and winter camp. You got the national holidays and a few extra days after summer camp and winter camp finished up if you were lucky. |
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creeper1
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| not a problem with the language mills since there is no such thing as vacation! |
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creeper1
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| not a problem with the language mills since there is no such thing as vacation! |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| Wolfsong wrote: |
| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
Things are changing at public universities and colleges, and it seems that austerity programs have become more common.
Language schools and other private concerns are probably different. |
I thought there was an element of austerity involved. I should have made it clear that it's private companies. But interesting to know. Thanks. |
Hello,
Could you be please be more specific with the statement that it's private companies with which you are involved? |
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Wolfsong
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| doogsville wrote: |
| My uni pays you for the summer holiday if you sign on again. The new contract starts the day after the previous one finishes. My experience of private schools was that there were no long holidays, just summer camp and winter camp. You got the national holidays and a few extra days after summer camp and winter camp finished up if you were lucky. |
Unis are state establishments so it's expected that they would pay for long holidays.
I applied for 3 or so jobs in China for private schools. None of them paid full pay in the winter holidays - about a month long. Summer holiday about 2 1/2 weeks long and the usual public holidays. All these jobs were advertised on this site. I wondered if this was normal with private schools across the board or if it was just the ones I applied to. |
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Wolfsong
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
| Wolfsong wrote: |
| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
Things are changing at public universities and colleges, and it seems that austerity programs have become more common.
Language schools and other private concerns are probably different. |
I thought there was an element of austerity involved. I should have made it clear that it's private companies. But interesting to know. Thanks. |
Hello,
Could you be please be more specific with the statement that it's private companies with which you are involved? |
Not sure if it's me or the OP you are replying to. If me, all I can say is that I 'm just talking about 3 different private language schools I applied to. Private as opposed to state run schools. Private businesses really. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Wolfsong wrote: |
| jimpellow wrote: |
| Wolfsong wrote: |
| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
Things are changing at public universities and colleges, and it seems that austerity programs have become more common.
Language schools and other private concerns are probably different. |
I thought there was an element of austerity involved. I should have made it clear that it's private companies. But interesting to know. Thanks. |
Hello,
Could you be please be more specific with the statement that it's private companies with which you are involved? |
Not sure if it's me or the OP you are replying to. If me, all I can say is that I 'm just talking about 3 different private language schools I applied to. Private as opposed to state run schools. Private businesses really. |
I must be missing something. I thought you and the OP were the same?
That is quite odd about the pay. Usually private language schools work you harder and longer. Yet the vacations are paid, albeit they don't hand out much of it - like a week and national holidays. It can even be a battle to get the vacation days contiguous.
Hard to say if the longer vacation time is due to meeting their schedules, and/or they are using it to attract teachers.
There have been quite a few threads in the last year or so about the increasing demise of the fully paid vacation. It seems quite odd as the supply of teachers has been concurrently decreasing.
My personal opinion is that is due to private schools finding themselves in an increasingly difficult situation. The quickly aging population and mediocre economy has diminished the potential student pool. Labor costs are rising, in particular the overhead for foreign teachers in terms of the social tax and the visa process. The Chinese online ESL industry is rapidly growing.
I guess the best thing to do would be to simply calculate the yearly pay and then determine the monthly salary, and then compare it to more standard language school offers and weigh them out. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| He meant the OP of the quote. |
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lionheartuk
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| I work at a private school and we get full holidays and full winter pay plus July/August half pay |
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RiverMystic
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:17 am Post subject: |
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This seems to be something that is happening more an more - little or no holiday pay - along with the probation period, with reduced pay for up to three months. This can mean you could lose up to 25% of your yearly income.
Salaries have gone up a lot in China in the past decade, but these kinds of effective clawbacks are taking the icing off the cake. What is the use if you are now "earning" an extra 4000 over what you used to if you lose most of it in these kinds of ways? |
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Wolfsong
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
I must be missing something. I thought you and the OP were the same? |
How so when there two different names? It would mean someone was talking to themselves, wouldn't it?
I wasn't sure if you was addressing your question of being specific about private schools to me or the OP "Oh bud who..." since we both mentioned private schools.
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That is quite odd about the pay. Usually private language schools work you harder and longer. Yet the vacations are paid, albeit they don't hand out much of it - like a week and national holidays. It can even be a battle to get the vacation days contiguous.
Hard to say if the longer vacation time is due to meeting their schedules, and/or they are using it to attract teachers.
There have been quite a few threads in the last year or so about the increasing demise of the fully paid vacation. It seems quite odd as the supply of teachers has been concurrently decreasing.
My personal opinion is that is due to private schools finding themselves in an increasingly difficult situation. The quickly aging population and mediocre economy has diminished the potential student pool. Labor costs are rising, in particular the overhead for foreign teachers in terms of the social tax and the visa process. The Chinese online ESL industry is rapidly growing.
I guess the best thing to do would be to simply calculate the yearly pay and then determine the monthly salary, and then compare it to more standard language school offers and weigh them out. |
It's interesting what you say but I can't comment as I'm still not sure who you are addressing. |
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Wolfsong
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
| He meant the OP of the quote. |
Who did? |
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