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TEFL course in Taxco - legitimate?
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DebMer



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:23 pm    Post subject: TEFL course in Taxco - legitimate? Reply with quote

Does anybody know about this program? It's a one-month program for $500, and claims to be accredited. I haven't seen the course for this price before. http://tefltaxcomexico.com/default.html (And am I allowed to post that link here?)
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are accredited by http://www.tefltesolcertification.com/

Dig a little deeper on that... Wink
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AGoodStory



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would proceed VERY cautiously. This "school" has been around for only a few months--since Sept 2011. It seems to be just this one person, Cathleen Howard, who has decided to train teachers and print certificates. (Sorry, but the "internationally recognized" is a joke.) So it all comes down to her ability as a trainer. As far as I can tell she has absolutely no training or education in either TEFL or in teacher training, although she does appear to have experience teaching EFL. At first glance she does not appear qualified to do teacher training. (Doesn't necessarily mean she isn't capable of doing the job, of course.)

I would give this a miss, but if you want to look into it further, I would suggest investigating her credentials/experience much more closely, and getting contact info for people who have been through her course. You could also get names of employers who have hired her graduates. Ask for a detailed course syllabus; ask about what facilities and resource materials are available to trainees. To my mind it is a distinct disadvantage to have only one trainer on a course--most people will benefit from having more than one person's experience, training, personality, etc.

And the $500 course fee is now $700. I find it a little suspect as well that the same course is offered in a 2-week format "Same as our standard 4-week TEFL course, but you finish the course in half the time, only 2 weeks." Ummm. . . no. A 4-week on-site TEFL program is already an intensive course. She may offer a 2-week course, but it can't be "the same as" the 4-week course!

The other thing I would question is the meaningless accreditation. The "tefltesolcertification" site is suspiciously similar to the course website, and is underdeveloped in some of the same ways. If it doesn't convince me, I don't see why it would convince potential employers.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good analysis...

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The other thing I would question is the meaningless accreditation. The "tefltesolcertification" site is suspiciously similar to the course website, and is underdeveloped in some of the same ways. If it doesn't convince me, I don't see why it would convince potential employers.


In fact, both websites are registered/owned by the same entity, called TEFL Paradise.
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Enchilada Potosina



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AGoodStory wrote:
As far as I can tell she has absolutely no training or education in either TEFL or in teacher training, although she does appear to have experience teaching EFL. At first glance she does not appear qualified to do teacher training. (Doesn't necessarily mean she isn't capable of doing the job, of course.)

TEFL in a nutshell.
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EFLeducator



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AGoodStory wrote:
I would proceed VERY cautiously.


Right!!

This is good advice when checking with any type of school or certification programs you will find in Mexico. Some of them are shady to say the least and you won't get what you paid for. This too was a part of my personal experience in Mexico City.

Another thing about these so-called schools is that they are really good at selling the cool-aid to unsuspecting new TEFLer's.

Proceed with caution my future fellow professional TEFLer. And good luck in beautiful Mexico City.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would be better off doing a SEP recognized Teacher's Diploma course. It is superior to most TESOL certicates, and the good ones are run by universities like the UNAM and Universidad Panamericana. They offer a more indepth look at teaching TESL as well as more practice hours and observed teaching. The course at Panamericana is taught in English, and costs around $800 US, which you can pay as you go. It has the advantage of being recognized by the Mexican Education Secretary, which will allow you to work in some schools that you wouldn't be able to otherwise. As of last September it is a requirement to work in SEP recognized schools in Mexico City.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLeducator wrote:


The language institute I speak of will probably not stay open for too long. Not enough students and not really good native speakers to teach the conversation classes due to the pathetic salaries. And this, well it's an entry level gig? That's just a way the people who have the money in those cushy positions justify exploiting their workers. Nepotism...alive and well.


You might want to look up nepotism in the dictionary.....I don't see an example of it here in your example, which seems to show exploitation, nothing more.
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DebMer



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, BBB, but my current job requires TESOL or equivalent, and I don't think they'd recognize the Teacher's Diploma. As far as I know, it's not known NOB.

Basically, I can keep working without my cert. until the time the department is audited. Our director said at that point, those of us who don't have it will be let go. An audit could come soon or in 10 years - nobody knows when. So I'm looking for options, and it looks like the most likely scenario for me will be an online TESOL, unless something else comes up. Not ideal, but I'm having a hard time finding a viable alternative. I guess it will have to do. At least I'll have the work experience to put alongside my online TESOL cert. on a resume.

BadBeagleBad wrote:
You would be better off doing a SEP recognized Teacher's Diploma course. It is superior to most TESOL certicates, and the good ones are run by universities like the UNAM and Universidad Panamericana. They offer a more indepth look at teaching TESL as well as more practice hours and observed teaching. The course at Panamericana is taught in English, and costs around $800 US, which you can pay as you go. It has the advantage of being recognized by the Mexican Education Secretary, which will allow you to work in some schools that you wouldn't be able to otherwise. As of last September it is a requirement to work in SEP recognized schools in Mexico City.
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DebMer



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Very good analysis...

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The other thing I would question is the meaningless accreditation. The "tefltesolcertification" site is suspiciously similar to the course website, and is underdeveloped in some of the same ways. If it doesn't convince me, I don't see why it would convince potential employers.


In fact, both websites are registered/owned by the same entity, called TEFL Paradise.


This in and of itself is enough to make the decision for me. Shocked
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DebMer



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, y'all. I'm new enough in the certification hunting process to be ignorant of what to look for. I appreciate your insights, and I agree with you.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DebMer wrote:
True, BBB, but my current job requires TESOL or equivalent, and I don't think they'd recognize the Teacher's Diploma. As far as I know, it's not known NOB.


Right, but how is a no-name certificate such as what you mentioned originally known NOB? Perhaps if you showed them an outline of a Teacher's Diploma course, or the CELE from UNAM that would see that both course are far more than equivilent. They are both certainly TESOL courses, so I am not quite sure why they wouldn't be accepted.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DebMer wrote:
Thanks, y'all. I'm new enough in the certification hunting process to be ignorant of what to look for. I appreciate your insights, and I agree with you.


Well, you can't go wrong with the big three, a CELTA, Trinity or SIT, though all are pricey. The advantage to those is that no matter where you take the course it will be pretty much the same. Not better, necessarily, but well known
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a SIT course in Oaxaca City--I'm not sure how much it costs, but you could take a few days before or after to have a look at some of the small towns where the SUNEO universities are located since I know you are looking at those as long term options.
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DebMer



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BadBeagleBad wrote:
DebMer wrote:
True, BBB, but my current job requires TESOL or equivalent, and I don't think they'd recognize the Teacher's Diploma. As far as I know, it's not known NOB.


Right, but how is a no-name certificate such as what you mentioned originally known NOB? Perhaps if you showed them an outline of a Teacher's Diploma course, or the CELE from UNAM that would see that both course are far more than equivilent. They are both certainly TESOL courses, so I am not quite sure why they wouldn't be accepted.


I guess I've been assuming that when they say TESOL, they're referring to a specific course "brand," and that they're asking us to take that specific course vs. another. It looks like I need to nail down what the requirement is before I pursue this question any further.

Teresa, is the UNAM Teacher's Diploma an intensive, or a semester course?
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