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Perilla



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

40 is the new 30. Sounds trite but it's true in many ways - on average we're living 10 years longer for starters. Anyways, 40 is never too late. To the OP I'd say do what your gut instincts tell you is the right thing to do. But IMO festering in a tedious job at home is probably not the right choice, certainly not if you enjoy travel. If going abroad again doesn't work out you can always return and find another "lesser" job.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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at 40 it's too late anyways.
That's crap. It's common to successfully retrain at 40 and well beyond. The trick is in choosing something in-demand and a field that doesn't have a lot of age discrimination. Can you retrain and become a nurse? Yes. Advertising executive? Much less likely. And there are certain fields that just impractical at any age. And they happen to be areas where the liberal artsy dreamer people who populate ESL boards express high interest. Professor of European history? No.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
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at 40 it's too late anyways.
That's crap. It's common to successfully retrain at 40 and well beyond. The trick is in choosing something in-demand and a field that doesn't have a lot of age discrimination. Can you retrain and become a nurse? Yes. Advertising executive? Much less likely. And there are certain fields that just impractical at any age. And they happen to be areas where the liberal artsy dreamer people who populate ESL boards express high interest. Professor of European history? No.

Very true--one of my uncles graduated from nursing school at 52, after his small town shoe store was crushed by Walmart. He retired from nursing last year at 65.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I guess lesser is pretty vague. I mean that by having a masters in ESL I could qualify for jobs overseas that pay more than doing admin work here in the US.
C'mon, now! Give us a lot more to go on. Do you want to teach or be an administrator at this moment? Admin work usually is something one works up the ladder into.

But you aren't being clear. What work pays more overseas, in your mind?

As for the comments about 40 being too late in life, forget that nonsense. That's when a lot of people actually get started, yours truly included, and I didn't even have a background in teaching or liberal arts. Even those that do are quite commonly doing distance degrees or other sorts of training while in their 40s and 50s.
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vamanos12



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks nomad soul.
It's embarrasing to think I'm having a midlife crisis, but hey...there it is.
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cheezsteakwit



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: existential tefl lifestyle crisis Reply with quote

[quote"Trust that little voice in your head that says 'Wouldn't it be interesting if...' And then do it." ~ Duane Michals, photographer (1932 - )[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. I just turned 40 a few months ago & am flying out for Korea next Saturday - my first time living abroad. I'm excited. I've always wanted to do something like this.
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At 40 I retrained for a different career. And at almost 50, I trained for TEFL.
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sharter



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:04 am    Post subject: Maybee the UK's different. Reply with quote

Maybe the UK's different.

Retraining at 40 costs a lot and there aren't many jobs around right now. Our national health service is getting cut to the bone. Getting old negates all the 'physical jobs'.

It's very difficult, especially if you have financial commitments like kids.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Realistically it is very tough to retrain at 40.

At that age most people may be married with kids or thinking of doing that soon. So not that easy to go from earning money to living as a poor student.

Also take into account holes like the UK are squeezing their public sector budgets for decades to come. So jobs like teachers, nurses, police are going to be hard to come by.

THen there is the age descrimination. When you are up against 20 somethings for a job then you are bound to lose out.

What the positive posters are not telling you is that life is half over at 40.

YOu can't change biology. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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coledavis



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
Realistically it is very tough to retrain at 40.

At that age most people may be married with kids or thinking of doing that soon. So not that easy to go from earning money to living as a poor student.

Also take into account holes like the UK are squeezing their public sector budgets for decades to come. So jobs like teachers, nurses, police are going to be hard to come by.

THen there is the age descrimination. When you are up against 20 somethings for a job then you are bound to lose out.

What the positive posters are not telling you is that life is half over at 40.

YOu can't change biology. Laughing

This response was mainly attitude rather than fact, especially when one considers the final, and presumably crowning assumption. What does biology have to say about human beings at the age of 40? (I'm 54 and am needing to find a really good zimmer frame shop.) With regards to discrimination on the grounds of age: I think this has been discussed on a range of threads. Some employers do, and some don't. Some want young people and some prefer us old wrecks (aka mature people).
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GladToBeFree wrote:
The problem for those of us who want to teach overseas is that in many countries, age is one of the first things looked at when evaluating whether to hire a teacher. In many Western countries your drive and determination to retrain is admired by many, but in many places (particularly Asia) and especially during economic downturns, the idea of a young, happy ESL teacher trumps older and more experienced.

I was 35 when I went back for my Masters degree in TESOL, 12 years after finishing my BA in Communications. I finished at 38 and spent the next couple of years teaching adjunct at a community college. When I went to Korea, already there were comments about "old teacher", mostly from Korean parents and school admins who weren't much older or younger than me.

I'd like to continue teaching as long as I can, but somewhere along the way will have to come a more enlightened attitude and appreciation in some cultures regarding older teachers.

Yes, some countries have more of a problem with mature teachers than others. Russia, from my experience, doesn't tend to discriminate much on these grounds (and my most recent experience of discrimination there was against youth, not maturation).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have large loans and no means of paying them back home, go abroad, live frugally, get them down, and then go back. Go back or stay if that's what you want. Or stay and save up for more education or training and begin the rest of your life. I think by the time, I'm totally debt free and will have some savings to start something back home, I'll be getting near 40. If you start a career track and start at the bottom for 3 or 4 years, you'll prob have to defer your loans as you don't make enough money to pay on them. You may, if lucky, get a promotion and make more money after 2 to 4 years and then start repaying. But you'll prob be struggling to get by. Maybe after 2 or 3 years, you'll get another promotion and be able to start paying better. Soon, you'll have a mortgage too and so on and so on.

If you can get out of debt quicker overseas, there's no shame in it. Hit that fast forward button. If people want to stay home and struggle for years, more power to them. Even if I went home and had to start at the bottom, my lack of debt and excellent credit rating will give me a better life quality than those making more than me and with big debts.

Granted the exchange rate is pretty crappy nowadays because of the downturn and there's a rising cost of living, along with flat wages. But, it could be worse and hopefully, there will be a recovery in the next couple of years.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coledavis wrote:
GladToBeFree wrote:
The problem for those of us who want to teach overseas is that in many countries, age is one of the first things looked at when evaluating whether to hire a teacher. In many Western countries your drive and determination to retrain is admired by many, but in many places (particularly Asia) and especially during economic downturns, the idea of a young, happy ESL teacher trumps older and more experienced.

I was 35 when I went back for my Masters degree in TESOL, 12 years after finishing my BA in Communications. I finished at 38 and spent the next couple of years teaching adjunct at a community college. When I went to Korea, already there were comments about "old teacher", mostly from Korean parents and school admins who weren't much older or younger than me.

I'd like to continue teaching as long as I can, but somewhere along the way will have to come a more enlightened attitude and appreciation in some cultures regarding older teachers.

Yes, some countries have more of a problem with mature teachers than others. Russia, from my experience, doesn't tend to discriminate much on these grounds (and my most recent experience of discrimination there was against youth, not maturation).


But does Russia pay? I think people may not want to do it for charity although there's nothing wrong with that. As for the age issue, do the foriegners in question look old, worn, overweight, etc? That may cause more concern and discrimination. As one gets older, they have to try to take care of their appearance. A decent looking 40 year old will prob not have a lot of problems getting work. I have read posts of some teachers with experience who were bald and late 30's having no problem getting work. Though they may have had to look a little more than a 22 year old.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But does Russia pay? I think people may not want to do it for charity although there's nothing wrong with that. As for the age issue, do the foriegners in question look old, worn, overweight, etc? That may cause more concern and discrimination. As one gets older, they have to try to take care of their appearance. A decent looking 40 year old will prob not have a lot of problems getting work. I have read posts of some teachers with experience who were bald and late 30's having no problem getting work. Though they may have had to look a little more than a 22 year old.


An interesting set of issues.

This question of whether it pays has been covered a few times. Essentially, it depends upon whether you are a person who just looks at the salary; in my opinion, this doesn't work relating to being able to live well or to save money, as you can earn what appears to be a lot of money in the west but high outgoings mean that the apparently high pay is illusory. In Russia, you are usually given free accommodation (although caveat emptor re the conditions) and then it depends upon how you decide to live on whatever the pay happens to be. However, if you are looking at just the salary, then unless you've got something special to offer, then in those terms (and given your comments about charity, I think you may be viewing it that way), the answer in Russia is probably 'no'. Although you may find that unless you have a lot to offer, the same answer may apply to TEFL as a whole.

Looks do count, I guess, unfortunately. However, I'm in my fifties and am bald and have glasses and have an incurable skin condition (sorry all if too much information) and I haven't had problems finding work. Sure, some people discriminate and some don't. In Russia, you'll find that they don't do PC, but at the same time, they are open-minded to individuals (if that doesn't sound like a paradox).
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