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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Way, way off course.
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| So I called up my embassy again, and it seems like they think differently to us. They consider the Certificate of Eligibility as a different thing to the Visa. |
Look, stop trying to convince yourself that you can do what you want just because you want to. A COE *is* different from a visa. Just as it is different from a Status of Residence. But it's not like we're trying to make shite up:
We're keeping it simple for you.
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The requirements you all talk about are requirements of the CoE, but the visa requires a CoE. So therefore, when I asked what the requirements of obtain a visa are, they said a degree is not required. Even for a CoE, depending on where I want to work in, I may not need a degree to obtain a CoE.
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People have explained how it works. How many different ways do you want it explained? We've given you the Cliff Notes (look it up; it's an Americanism)
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Here is a direct quote of the criteria from the Immigration Control and Refugee Recognition Act
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| The applicant must have graduated from university or acquired an education equivalent thereto, or must hold a license to teach the subject that he/she intends to teach |
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It's not a direct quote. It's a translation. There are several people here that are up for a discussion of the text of the law in Japanese if you really want to press the point, but the short version is that the law allows for discretion and you're ignoring the very people that are telling you how it works in reality. |
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sam.ye
Joined: 13 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Look, stop trying to convince yourself that you can do what you want just because you want to. A COE *is* different from a visa. Just as it is different from a Status of Residence. But it's not like we're trying to make shite up:
We're keeping it simple for you. |
I'm not trying to convince myself of anything. I'm just explaining why there was that confusion. i know the CoE is not a different thing. It's a requirement of obtaining the visa. Relax. I know you guys aren't lying to me.
Ok, point taken. I'll stick with my WHV until i'm eligible.
Thanks everyong. |
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Tsian
Joined: 10 Jan 2012
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The OP wants to work right away and can, with the WHV, so he won't need that much. If you meant that he needs that much according to WHV application standards, you are incorrect. It's less than that. Read the homepage for the precise amount.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/w_holiday/index.html |
Sorry you are right Glenski... $2,500 for a single person.
Sam --> Generally speaking (and again, "generally" as in there is discretion and wiggle room) you can apply to have a WHV changed into a Working or Study (or spouse, etc) visa. At which point you need to meet the requirements of the visa you are trying to apply for.
Without a degree you will not be granted a work visa. In order to receive one without a degree, you would need at least 3 years of (full-time) experience.
The CoE is not necessarily a requirement to apply for a working visa, particularly if you are already in the country. However, as you do not meet the requirements for a working visa under the specialist in humanities category, this fact isn't particularly useful in your case.
(If, however, you completed your degree and had it in hand before your WHV expired, then you would theoretically be able to apply for a regular working visa) |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| sam.ye wrote: |
| So I called up my embassy again, and it seems like they think differently to us. They consider the Certificate of Eligibility as a different thing to the Visa. |
Surprise! They are different things, but you (usually) need the COE to get the visa. And, your embassy is just playing with words now, semantics, in trying to explain to you what you need.
Bottom line, when you apply for the COE in order to get the visa, you must have either a college degree or 3 years of related work experience. Period.
Once the COE is mailed to your employer-to-be, they will then send it to you, and you cash it in at your embassy for a visa stamp in your passport before you arrive. (Then, upon entry to Japan, the visa itself is actually canceled, and what is put in your passport is a stamp called status of residence. However, most people including immigration still tend to say at that point that you are on a certain visa. Again, just semantics.)
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| Even for a CoE, depending on where I want to work in, I may not need a degree to obtain a CoE. |
Have already explained that to you.
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| This is a criteria for an "Instructor". |
Since you don't have the degree, experience or license, you are not qualified to get this type of work visa. It is for people who work in public schools, usually as ALTs. The other work visa you should consider is Specialist in Humanities/International Services, which is what people get to work in eikaiwas. You cannot work in both places with one of these visas unless you file for special permission from immigration, and your main job must still fall under the realm of the visa you have.
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| If I was to teach english, what would be considered a "license to teach"? |
A teaching license granted by your home country or Japan. You have to attend university for such things. Again, you are not eligible for this.
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| Also, why do most companies prefer to apply for a Specialist in Humanities/International Services work visa? It sounds like the Instructor visa allows people to work the same job with less qualifications. |
See above. |
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sam.ye
Joined: 13 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| yep yep. I understand it now. So now it's just a simple 2 week process to get a WHV, go over to Japan, then pray to God that I get a job ASAP? |
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Tsian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Good luck. |
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sam.ye
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Will need it. Apparently my girlfriend's friend from church has been teaching english in Osaka for a couple of years. Hopefully that'll prove to be a helpful contact =D
Thanks for your information and patience with some fairly stupid questions haha |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Make contact with potential employers even before you leave home. Let them know you are interested and when you plan to arrive. Maybe they will set up an interview. Cuts the down time a little.
If your gf's church friend is Japanese, I wouldn't count on much help, but that's just me. If the friend is a fellow foreigner, they might be protective of potential customers in the area.
Good luck. |
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sam.ye
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah I've emailed the companies who have advertised. Haven't heard back from anyone but Gaba. They need to reference letters. Can it be from anyone, or do they prefer to have professional references? |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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sam,
No offense, but it's clear you have not done a lot of professional job hunting. When someone wants a letter of reference for a job that interests you, it's pretty routine to give them the contact information (or letter) from a person who employed you, and who is in the same field.
No sense in giving them a McDonalds' manager's info if you're looking at a law firm or teaching job, for example.
Personal/Character references alone usually don't cut it, but I suspect you are going to come up pretty short in what employers here need. Therefore, pick and choose as carefully as you can. Explain way up front to those references what you are interested in doing here, so they know what sort of information to relay, instead of giving them irrelevant stuff. |
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Tsian
Joined: 10 Jan 2012
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| And I suspect your best chances will be once you are actually in the country, and can take any sudden positions (possibly with smaller companies) when they come up. |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009
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Location: Narita, Japan
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| And I suspect your best chances will be once you are actually in the country, and can take any sudden positions (possibly with smaller companies) when they come up. |
You need a visa first. Or a school that's desperate enough to hire you without a visa, but that's a very risky route. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Tsian wrote: |
| And I suspect your best chances will be once you are actually in the country, and can take any sudden positions (possibly with smaller companies) when they come up. |
You need a visa first. Or a school that's desperate enough to hire you without a visa, but that's a very risky route. |
He is planning on having a working holiday visa, I believe. |
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