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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: ok Reply with quote

sharter wrote:
In Europe you will struggle to make a living wage and as an American have visa hassle.


Thanks for that balanced perspective on Europe my fellow professional TEFLer. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: ok Reply with quote

sharter wrote:
OK something constructive. I've been doing this for 16 years and have taught in 7 different countries. In Europe you will struggle to make a living wage and as an American have visa hassle. You won't get into the Middle East with little experience. That leaves Asia and or South America. Korea would probably do for you.

TEFLERs tend to drink a lot.


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Yep. The options for a newb in EFL are limited to Latin America & Asia. Lat. Am. doesn�t pay worth scratch, so that leaves Asia.

I will leave it to countless other threads and posts to battle over which of the Asian countries offers the best combo of work, pay and the all important lifestyle Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: ok Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
Lat. Am. doesn�t pay worth scratch, so that leaves Asia.


Prof.Gringo wrote:
I will leave it to countless other threads and posts to battle over which of the Asian countries offers the best combo of work, pay and the all important lifestyle Cool


Thanks for that FAIR & BALANCED insight Prof. Gringo.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:11 am    Post subject: Re: ok Reply with quote

EFLeducator wrote:
Prof.Gringo wrote:
Lat. Am. doesn�t pay worth scratch, so that leaves Asia.


Prof.Gringo wrote:
I will leave it to countless other threads and posts to battle over which of the Asian countries offers the best combo of work, pay and the all important lifestyle Cool


Thanks for that FAIR & BALANCED insight Prof. Gringo.


Just call it as I see it. Nothing more, nothing less.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:00 am    Post subject: and Reply with quote

I was in Istanbul as well a few weeks ago....coffee was 5 Euro....that's what $7....I was shocked. An average salary there is $1,500 and out of that comes your rent. Turkey isn't in the EU.

Really though a quick browse throught the jobs in Europe will show you that average salaries are less than $2,000 in the west and $1,200 in the east. These are not living wages. Not that give you any long-term future anyways. As a Brit I'm also quite familiar with the place. I've got a few American friends in Poland but none of them have the proverbial pot to pee in. Just in Poland an average rent is about $600 for a small place. In the UK you're looking at $750-1,000 a month and that's outside London. A New Yorker I know has been trying to move to Italy for a while but the pay is dire there and it ain't cheap. He's also got a tonne of experience. On those salaries, getting 'home' becomes a problem!

If you are independently wealthy, it's a different ball game. Then and only then, I'd do somewhere like Poland, especially if you're a man Wink. Mountains, lakes, stunners, cheap beer and wonderful students.

Later on in your career, the Gulf often becomes necessary. I'm in Kuwait right now but have lived in Qatar, Saudi and Libya. Libya's my fave cos of the rotational oil field deals but Doha's a nice place to live. Kuwait's a bit sleepy......in fact, it's the ideal place to put money in the bank and buy a house somewhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: and Reply with quote

sharter wrote:
I was in Istanbul as well a few weeks ago....coffee was 5 Euro....that's what $7....I was shocked. An average salary there is $1,500 and out of that comes your rent. Turkey isn't in the EU.

Really though a quick browse throught the jobs in Europe will show you that average salaries are less than $2,000 in the west and $1,200 in the east. These are not living wages. Not that give you any long-term future anyways. As a Brit I'm also quite familiar with the place. I've got a few American friends in Poland but none of them have the proverbial pot to pee in. Just in Poland an average rent is about $600 for a small place. In the UK you're looking at $750-1,000 a month and that's outside London. A New Yorker I know has been trying to move to Italy for a while but the pay is dire there and it ain't cheap. He's also got a tonne of experience. On those salaries, getting 'home' becomes a problem!

If you are independently wealthy, it's a different ball game. Then and only then, I'd do somewhere like Poland, especially if you're a man Wink. Mountains, lakes, stunners, cheap beer and wonderful students.

Later on in your career, the Gulf often becomes necessary. I'm in Kuwait right now but have lived in Qatar, Saudi and Libya. Libya's my fave cos of the rotational oil field deals but Doha's a nice place to live. Kuwait's a bit sleepy......in fact, it's the ideal place to put money in the bank and buy a house somewhere.


Very informative post. Thanks for the clear-cut info. You are one of the truly realistic and informed posters. Thanks again Cool
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