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DebMer
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| There is a SIT course in Oaxaca City--I'm not sure how much it costs, but you could take a few days before or after to have a look at some of the small towns where the SUNEO universities are located since I know you are looking at those as long term options. |
Thank you. Just checked the site, and cost is $1,995.
I like the idea of a whirlwind SUNEO tour!  A financial miracle would have to take place for me to pull off a Oaxaca trip this summer. Much to think and scheme about. Hmmmmmm.... |
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BadBeagleBad
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I've been assuming that when they say TESOL, they're referring to a specific course "brand," and that they're asking us to take that specific course vs. another. It looks like I need to nail down what the requirement is before I pursue this question any further.
Teresa, is the UNAM Teacher's Diploma an intensive, or a semester course? |
Yes, I think that would be the best thing to do, because a TESOL certificate is not a specific course or brand but a generic name for a wide variety of courses. If any TESL course will do, they might even take an online certificate since you already have classroom experience. I believe that the CELE lasts a semester, but I could be wrong. I do know the director of the program, and will send you his email address in a PM so you can email him directly and ask him any questions you might have. The same person is also the director of the language center at the Universidad Panamericana, and the course there is virtually identical, in fact, some of the materials have the UNAM logo on them......but it costs a bit less. |
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DebMer
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Much obliged, Teresa! |
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tideout
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| MotherF wrote: |
| There is a SIT course in Oaxaca City--I'm not sure how much it costs, but you could take a few days before or after to have a look at some of the small towns where the SUNEO universities are located since I know you are looking at those as long term options. |
There's a School for International Training course in Oaxaca. SIT"s a very well recognized certificate, just a little less well known than CELTA. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| You would be better off doing a SEP recognized Teacher's Diploma course. It is superior to most TESOL certicates, and the good ones are run by universities like the UNAM and Universidad Panamericana. They offer a more indepth look at teaching TESL as well as more practice hours and observed teaching. The course at Panamericana is taught in English, and costs around $800 US, which you can pay as you go. It has the advantage of being recognized by the Mexican Education Secretary, which will allow you to work in some schools that you wouldn't be able to otherwise. As of last September it is a requirement to work in SEP recognized schools in Mexico City. |
Yes, that has been my advice to many posters over the years 
But a SEP Dip. is useless outside of Mexico.
CELTA works good all the way around.
There is a SEP Dip. which can be done cheap, about $500 US. |
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tideout
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| BadBeagleBad wrote: |
| You would be better off doing a SEP recognized Teacher's Diploma course. It is superior to most TESOL certicates, and the good ones are run by universities like the UNAM and Universidad Panamericana. They offer a more indepth look at teaching TESL as well as more practice hours and observed teaching. The course at Panamericana is taught in English, and costs around $800 US, which you can pay as you go. It has the advantage of being recognized by the Mexican Education Secretary, which will allow you to work in some schools that you wouldn't be able to otherwise. As of last September it is a requirement to work in SEP recognized schools in Mexico City. |
Yes, that has been my advice to many posters over the years
But a SEP Dip. is useless outside of Mexico.
CELTA works good all the way around.
There is a SEP Dip. which can be done cheap, about $500 US. |
Prof Gringo,
A couple of questions.
Is the Sep Dip merely another Tesol cert then - somehow geared toward Mexian/Spanish speakers?
I have a TESOL cert. from SIT and of course a 4 year degree. Is there any advantage to getting a SEP Dip in my case? |
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BadBeagleBad
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| I disagree that a SEP diploma is useless outside of Mexico. It is another TESOL course, like many others. Just for the record, most of them include more hours and include more observations and more observed teaching thatn a CELTA. If you want to teach in a school that is recognized by the SEP, it will be a requirement for employment, if not now, in the near future. It is already a requirement in DF. So if you are staying in Mexico long term, yes, there are advantages. If you are not interested in working in a school setting, then probably not. |
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tideout
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| BadBeagleBad wrote: |
| I disagree that a SEP diploma is useless outside of Mexico. It is another TESOL course, like many others. Just for the record, most of them include more hours and include more observations and more observed teaching thatn a CELTA. If you want to teach in a school that is recognized by the SEP, it will be a requirement for employment, if not now, in the near future. It is already a requirement in DF. So if you are staying in Mexico long term, yes, there are advantages. If you are not interested in working in a school setting, then probably not. |
BBB - What kinds of schools require SEP vs. a well recognized TESOL cert. (DF or elsewhere?)?
No argument with you , but I've never heard of SEP. Could just be my ignorance on it though. My SIT course was 130 hours. I can't recall the total observed hours of teaching but it was substantial (relative to the total hrs). |
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FreddyM
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Location: Mexico
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:18 am Post subject: |
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BBB - What kinds of schools require SEP vs. a well recognized TESOL cert. (DF or elsewhere?)?
No argument with you , but I've never heard of SEP. Could just be my ignorance on it though. My SIT course was 130 hours. I can't recall the total observed hours of teaching but it was substantial (relative to the total hrs). |
SEP is the Secretaria de Educacion Publica http://www.sep.gob.mx/
It's the Mexican government agency that handles public education in the country. As such, all public schools, and many private ones that follow SEP guidelines, have requirements that teachers have some kind of SEP recognized credential.
I work in a private school that follows SEP guidelines (they even get inspected by SEP bureaucrats), and I don't have any officially recognized SEP credentials, nor anything internationally recognized either, and I've never had a problem. Most teachers I know don't have those requirements either, including some of the Spanish teachers! Perhaps it may be the law, but as in all things Mexico, enforcement or application of laws and regulations will vary. I would suggest that if you plan to teach only in Mexico for a long time, perhaps it's a good idea to get some SEP recognized diploma, otherwise anything internationally recognized will do also. Most private businesses (including private schools) won't care either way. There is no universally known, recognized or required English teaching credential here in Mexico. |
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tideout
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| tideout wrote: |
BBB - What kinds of schools require SEP vs. a well recognized TESOL cert. (DF or elsewhere?)?
No argument with you , but I've never heard of SEP. Could just be my ignorance on it though. My SIT course was 130 hours. I can't recall the total observed hours of teaching but it was substantial (relative to the total hrs). |
SEP is the Secretaria de Educacion Publica http://www.sep.gob.mx/
It's the Mexican government agency that handles public education in the country. As such, all public schools, and many private ones that follow SEP guidelines, have requirements that teachers have some kind of SEP recognized credential.
I work in a private school that follows SEP guidelines (they even get inspected by SEP bureaucrats), and I don't have any officially recognized SEP credentials, nor anything internationally recognized either, and I've never had a problem. Most teachers I know don't have those requirements either, including some of the Spanish teachers! Perhaps it may be the law, but as in all things Mexico, enforcement or application of laws and regulations will vary. I would suggest that if you plan to teach only in Mexico for a long time, perhaps it's a good idea to get some SEP recognized diploma, otherwise anything internationally recognized will do also. Most private businesses (including private schools) won't care either way. There is no universally known, recognized or required English teaching credential here in Mexico. |
Freddy,
Thanks for the response.
I am interested something longer term in Mexico but started off at a University with little experience really. Now I've got a few solid years under my belt and some cash to ride the initial wave of problems.
Hopefully, a better run next round. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| tideout wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| BadBeagleBad wrote: |
| You would be better off doing a SEP recognized Teacher's Diploma course. It is superior to most TESOL certicates, and the good ones are run by universities like the UNAM and Universidad Panamericana. They offer a more indepth look at teaching TESL as well as more practice hours and observed teaching. The course at Panamericana is taught in English, and costs around $800 US, which you can pay as you go. It has the advantage of being recognized by the Mexican Education Secretary, which will allow you to work in some schools that you wouldn't be able to otherwise. As of last September it is a requirement to work in SEP recognized schools in Mexico City. |
Yes, that has been my advice to many posters over the years
But a SEP Dip. is useless outside of Mexico.
CELTA works good all the way around.
There is a SEP Dip. which can be done cheap, about $500 US. |
Prof Gringo,
A couple of questions.
Is the Sep Dip merely another Tesol cert then - somehow geared toward Mexian/Spanish speakers?
I have a TESOL cert. from SIT and of course a 4 year degree. Is there any advantage to getting a SEP Dip in my case? |
A SEP recognized diploma allows you to have better chances to get a job in a colegio teaching 1-9th grades and in prepas where the use the SEP system.
While extra bits of shiny paper always help, with your background, unless you want to teach kids, a "SEP Teacher's Dip" would not really be a big deal, esp. outside of Mexico.
For uni level work a MA esp. in TESOL and/or a DELTA can open many doors world-wide. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| tideout wrote: |
| BadBeagleBad wrote: |
| I disagree that a SEP diploma is useless outside of Mexico. It is another TESOL course, like many others. Just for the record, most of them include more hours and include more observations and more observed teaching thatn a CELTA. If you want to teach in a school that is recognized by the SEP, it will be a requirement for employment, if not now, in the near future. It is already a requirement in DF. So if you are staying in Mexico long term, yes, there are advantages. If you are not interested in working in a school setting, then probably not. |
BBB - What kinds of schools require SEP vs. a well recognized TESOL cert. (DF or elsewhere?)?
No argument with you , but I've never heard of SEP. Could just be my ignorance on it though. My SIT course was 130 hours. I can't recall the total observed hours of teaching but it was substantial (relative to the total hrs). |
Per my above post, the "SEP Teacher's Dip." will help you get jobs in colegios teaching kids and possible other schools as well, but outside of the colegios, a generic TEFL or in this case, your SIT TEFL would suffice for the vast majority of EFL jobs within Mexico. |
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tideout
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| tideout wrote: |
| BadBeagleBad wrote: |
| I disagree that a SEP diploma is useless outside of Mexico. It is another TESOL course, like many others. Just for the record, most of them include more hours and include more observations and more observed teaching thatn a CELTA. If you want to teach in a school that is recognized by the SEP, it will be a requirement for employment, if not now, in the near future. It is already a requirement in DF. So if you are staying in Mexico long term, yes, there are advantages. If you are not interested in working in a school setting, then probably not. |
BBB - What kinds of schools require SEP vs. a well recognized TESOL cert. (DF or elsewhere?)?
No argument with you , but I've never heard of SEP. Could just be my ignorance on it though. My SIT course was 130 hours. I can't recall the total observed hours of teaching but it was substantial (relative to the total hrs). |
Per my above post, the "SEP Teacher's Dip." will help you get jobs in colegios teaching kids and possible other schools as well, but outside of the colegios, a generic TEFL or in this case, your SIT TEFL would suffice for the vast majority of EFL jobs within Mexico. |
Thanks Profe Gringo,
Pretty much my impression before.
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