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mike w
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| Unless you have the guts to stand up to your employer regarding your work week and violation of the contract by making you work more than those 5 days (as most of work) in a row - without overtime or extra pay, etc. then too bad. |
Why should you be treated differently than everyone else in China? (including the Chinese)
National Holiday and make-up days have been around for as long as I've been in China (and even longer), and the days-off and in-lieu work days are clearly promulgated by the government in December of every year.
If I could insert a photo here, I would send you a copy of the calendar issued by the government.
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Lobster
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Why should you be treated differently than everyone else in China? (including the Chinese) |
Because his contract specifically states his hours and days of work? If his contract states 5 days per week and 22 hours, why should he work seven days and 30 hours? If his employer expected him to work OT whenever the school decides to fudge the schedule, they should have put it in his contract. I suspect my boss is going to ask me to work OT this week too, but no way. Why should I agree to accept a change in contract just because others work then? They don't have to abide by my contract, so why should I abide by theirs?
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Sinobear
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mike w
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| If his employer expected him to work OT whenever the school decides to fudge the schedule |
Point 1. It's not OT - it's "time in lieu" - I guess you will happily accept the reduced working week next week.
Point 2. It's not the school fudging the schedule. These are clearly promulgated holidays set by the government.
But again, I have to ask the question - what makes you so special? |
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MisterButtkins
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Personally I like the way they move the classes around. I'd much rather get 3 continuous days off than get 1 day off in the middle of the week, which is probably too short a time to do anything special. For all the people complaining about working overtime or whatever, this isn't the US and they don't calculate overtime like that. You get paid per month. You should still be doing the same number of total hours per month, since they didn't actually add any classes. So of course you don't get paid for overtime. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:23 am Post subject: |
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So far not one mention of the students.
Working weekends before or after a holiday is to get enough days around the actual holiday to make it possible for students to get home if they live on campus and their homes are few hours away. |
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Opiate
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:33 am Post subject: |
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So far not one mention of the students.
Working weekends before or after a holiday is to get enough days around the actual holiday to make it possible for students to get home if they live on campus and their homes are few hours away. |
Sounds good but it has nothing to do with the students. |
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zootown
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| What about Easter holidays off IE good Friday and Monday.Will be interesting as they are stipulated as holidays in my contract so is Xmas. |
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danasoverseasemail
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| What about Easter holidays off IE good Friday and Monday.Will be interesting as they are stipulated as holidays in my contract so is Xmas. |
Easter and Good Friday are not Chinese government approved holidays, so any reference to these are purely benefits provided by your employer. Two days for Christmas and one day for New Year, as well as one day off for the equivalent of Independence Day in America (if your country has such a holiday) are legal entitlements to you.
Why should I be treated differently than a Chinese employee? Because I have a contract that states my terms of employment. Conflicting terms fall in benefit of the employee as stated in Labor and Contract law. That's why. |
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MisterButtkins
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't even know people in the US got days off for Easter. Easter is like this holiday I celebrated as a child that disappeared after I started middle school. |
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Opiate
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't even know people in the US got days off for Easter. Easter is like this holiday I celebrated as a child that disappeared after I started middle school. |
Well, I do not know about other countries but in the US you were always given time off from school...and likely work. |
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dean_a_jones
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| danasoverseasemail wrote: |
| Conflicting terms fall in benefit of the employee as stated in Labor and Contract law. That's why. |
Yeah, I am so shocked when FTs here don't know this fact. Crazy really, as we obviously hold the high ground when it comes to troubled contracts.
And yet they moan. If only they were as smart as you and I... |
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igorG
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
So far not one mention of the students.
Working weekends before or after a holiday is to get enough days around the actual holiday to make it possible for students to get home if they live on campus and their homes are few hours away. |
Sounds good but it has nothing to do with the students. |
Schools are built for students. Such practices compromise students' progress and teachers' effort. 7 days before and after the holidays, which involve a one-day holiday, is an extreme that i do not remember in China. The reason why i have posted the topic is that there are now quite a few one-day holidays that have not been before on. It is worrying any of those holidays could yield similar practice and that could throw some of our rigorous academic programs into a great jeopardy. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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So far not one mention of the students.
Working weekends before or after a holiday is to get enough days around the actual holiday to make it possible for students to get home if they live on campus and their homes are few hours away. |
Sounds good but it has nothing to do with the students. |
A school with 10000 students and 500 staff is going to arrange its affairs to assist students and a good many staff will want to travel home especially on Qing Ming. It is after all tomb sweeping day and of significance in family-centred China.
The fact that FTs get scant notice is another thing.
Get a time and date.com Chinese calendar and when you see a red day get your students to fill you in on what's likely to happen re class transfers to weekends. |
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Opiate
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
So far not one mention of the students.
Working weekends before or after a holiday is to get enough days around the actual holiday to make it possible for students to get home if they live on campus and their homes are few hours away. |
Sounds good but it has nothing to do with the students. |
A school with 10000 students and 500 staff is going to arrange its affairs to assist students and a good many staff will want to travel home especially on Qing Ming. It is after all tomb sweeping day and of significance in family-centred China.
The fact that FTs get scant notice is another thing.
Get a time and date.com Chinese calendar and when you see a red day get your students to fill you in on what's likely to happen re class transfers to weekends. |
Yes. It is a super significant day in family oriented China. It was only made a holiday (with subsequent schedule alterations) a few years ago after the May 1st holiday was shortened.
Anyway, that is not the point. The point was that if you think this is done solely so students can travel you'd be incorrect. This does not apply only to students or large schools and I do not believe many kids in first grade have to travel far. Take a look at the 2010 schedule for Mid-Autumn Festival and National Day and tell me how it makes it easy for folks to travel. |
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