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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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| bazzap1976 wrote: |
Does it matter if you have a degree or not if you can pick up a microphone and give a two hour lecture to a hundred businessmen and then travel across a huge city to pick up a class with forty screaming seven year old kids?
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It probably matters that one can teach English well. A degree and teaching qualification are indicators of this. Being able to blag it is not. Lecturing businessmen for 2 hours is exactly the kind of thing that TEFLers should not be engaged in. Forty screaming kiddies situation doesn't lend itself to much teaching or learning either.
Maybe this doesn't really mean much in KSA, but in any case, not having a degree does. Sorry. Out of luck. |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Posts: 11534
Location: On a Short Leash
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| It is rather perplexing though that a teacher with zero experience would be hired over a teacher with years of experience due to the fact that he has a college degree, which could be in anything and far more often than not is in a field of absolute no relation to teaching English. |
Very sorry if I wasn't clear earlier, but I was NOT referring to a newbie teacher with an unrelated degree.
The decent jobs in this region go to people with RELATED post-grad quals (MA TEFL/TESL or MA Applied Linguistics, usually, though there are other related degrees) PLUS experience with students from the region.
If you read through the threads, you'll find that teachers with unrelated BA + TEFL cert are getting rock-bottom jobs, with mostly dodgy employers.
No degree means even the dodgy ones won't look at you....experience elsewhere lecturing businessmen and wrestling kiddies notwithstanding  . |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Posts: 11454
Location: The real world
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| bazzap1976 wrote: |
| It is rather perplexing though that a teacher with zero experience would be hired over a teacher with years of experience due to the fact that he has a college degree, which could be in anything and far more often than not is in a field of absolute no relation to teaching English. |
Ditto what the last few posters have stated. Additionally, you�ll occasionally see a direct-hire employer accepting a TEFL-related MA (or an unrelated MA with a CELTA/equivalent TEFL cert) and no teaching experience as entry-level qualifications. But a BA degree holder straight out of college? Not for any university, direct-hire opportunities I know about.
Yes, the argument can be made about teaching experience (and no uni degree) trumping a new college grad with a BA or MA and no TEFL experience. This is the position many without a degree often take. Frankly, it's not about who's the better teacher, but about what the employer wants and/or what the country's visa regulations require. Regardless of how personally off-putting that may seem, that's the reality. It is what it is. |
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