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Teacher in Rome
Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Posts: 1286
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Sasha, I didn't really get your point, but just to add, Italians pronounce V as "voo". So W is pronounced (doppia voo) (or double v). On the other hand, there's very little "w" in Italian words. I'm not 100% on this, but I'd say most of the time you see a "w" it's a foreign word, like "water" (for loo, and pronounced "vater") and so on.
Not sure if that contributes to the discussion or not... |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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The point is that the Latin letter 'V' was pronounced as an /u:/ sound. So a 'W' is perfectly logical, a double 'V', i.e. a double /U:/ giving us the form 'W' and the name double-u.
How can Italian students not know this? It must be SO annoying! |
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Some confusion here (on your part, I think). Not according automatic respect is not (to my mind, anyway) the same as disrespect. Of course, I wouldn't stick out my tongue at the judge and chant, "Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck, Judgie pudgie." I'd be civil (especially if it was a civil suit ), but I've seen too many corrupt, crummy judges (and cops) to automatically respect any jamoke wearing a black robe or a badge. |
Jamoke?? Is that 'American English'? |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Dear artemisia,
Etymology
Appearing at the end of the 19th century, as a blend of java and mocha. By the 1920's, it became slang for someone who lacked mental abilities beyond that of a cup of coffee, probably influenced by moke.
Pronunciation
IPA: /ʤəˈməʊk/
Noun
jamoke (countable and uncountable; plural jamokes)
(uncountable, slang) coffee [quotations ▼]
(countable, slang) stupid person, fool [quotations ▼]
Yup, but it may be familiar only to those who are aficionados of the hard-boiled detective genre (e.g. Raymond Chandler, Dashiell Hammett, etc.)
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John |
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Most interesting, thanks. Jamoke is a word that sounds like it's my cup of char! |
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bulgogiboy

Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 803
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Dear bulgogiboy,
"Any perception that you are disrespecting the judge, or the court, through your behaviour or speech, can see you in the hoosegow."
Some confusion here (on your part, I think). Not according automatic respect is not (to my mind, anyway) the same as disrespect. Of course, I wouldn't stick out my tongue at the judge and chant, "Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck, Judgie pudgie." I'd be civil (especially if it was a civil suit ), but I've seen too many corrupt, crummy judges (and cops) to automatically respect any jamoke wearing a black robe or a badge.
Recently, a cop pulled out right in front of me on a frontage road here. I passed him and he hit me with the siren. I pulled over, and when he came up to the passenger door, and I'd given him my license and registration, I asked him, "Would you mind telling me just why you pulled out right in front of me back there?" He handed me back my documents and mumbled, "Didn't see ya," went back to his patrol car and took off.
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John |
This is all I'm asking from the students. No tongue-sticky-outing and no chanting. Civility costs nothing. Some people, for example the vast majority of QP 'trainees', just seem incapable of that.
Well done for standing up for yourself with the man.  |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Cheating in tests. And not even having the manners to do so craftily... grrr! |
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smithrn1983
Joined: 23 Jul 2010 Posts: 320 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheating in tests. And not even having the manners to do so craftily... grrr! |
Goes along with students who think you're supposed to tolerate them openly cheating. |
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sharter
Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 878 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:44 pm Post subject: Oh yeah, those I really disrespect are..... |
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| Teachers who are meant to be part of a team and talk teamwork but who secretly have sneaky meetings with the boss to avoid difficult remedial classes and absolute beginners. Also, teachers who quite happily watch the rest of the team bailing water while they throw their bucket away and sit there doing relatively sweet fa. Can't stand 'em. They should be paid less or fired. |
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bulgogiboy

Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 803
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheating in tests. And not even having the manners to do so craftily... grrr! |
In the Gulf, cheating seems to be par for the course. It's not even a question of 'should I risk cheating?', but 'cheating is an accepted method of passing exams'.
When cheating in exams, Arabs claim they are merely fulfilling their obligation to 'help' each other, when the needs arises. When playing team games, however, cheating is loudly complained about thusly: "teacher, he cheating! He cheating!".  |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Dear bulgogiboy,
Tsk, tsk - it's not "cheating" in the Middle East; it's "helping my friend." Surely, you can't be opposed to assisting a friend in dire need .
Regards,
Siddiq John |
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lou_la
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 140 Location: Bristol
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Writing in pencil. So when you've marked 20 assignments your hand is covered in silvery gunk. Pencils are for young children who lack fine motor control! Get a pen! |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Scribbley spider writing from students which teachers are somehow expected to be able to decode. True, it is even worse when done in pencil smudge. |
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bulgogiboy

Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 803
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Students who smile to your face and then openly say nasty things about you in their L1, assuming you can't understand. |
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Jbhughes

Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Posts: 254
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Sts that leave early without saying anything.
Sts that leave early and will politely tell the admin but not say anything to the teacher.
Sts that leave early with some kind of utterly pathetic excuse that can be picked apart in moments. "I'm going to a meeting" "You're going to a meeting at 9pm at night?" "What about you?" *at friend who is also leaving early* "I'm hungry and tired" at least the second one was honest! |
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