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fluffyhamster
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| By the way, I'm seizing a few northern islands off your coastline too. |
Lord Katsumoto didn't seem too fazed. (His exact words IIRC were "They are very welcome to those brown bear dung-covered islands that haven't learnt much English despite successive bombardments with Headway, Interchange, and finally Face2Face!" I must ask him sometime quite how he became so fluent, considering how little ELT was about at the time he learnt the language).
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Sashadroogie
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Was that before he fell on his sword?
In any case, just what till the Capitalist Piggies unleash Big Boy (English File). That'll learn the English into them... |
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fluffyhamster
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Ah, he hasn't fallen on his own sword yet. (What sacrifice! "Life in every...page of the LDOCE..." <gurgle, grimace, etc>). That's on the penultimate page of the script, when we have the big battle against a load of new army conscripts rather than ninjas. |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Doesn't matter, comrade. The outcome, including all learning outcomes, is historically determined. Try not to be on the wrong side of History, or you'll be consigned to its Dustbin. |
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fluffyhamster
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Do you think I should consign that copy of Fukuyama's book to the trashcan then, Comrade? Along with Headway etc? (Everything but English File).
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| EDIT: Didn't our fine fluffy friend comment on returning to his cert school many years later only to find his very same trainer? McMorrow and Spiral, as much as I appreciate your insight and experience, I can't help but wonder how much time you've spent in non-westernized education contexts. |
I wouldn't read too much into that. I was just saying (midway down page 10) how I probably wouldn't want to be stuck in a training center for years, especially if it was back in the UK (which I generally find a rather dreary place nowadays). For all we know, this trainer might've been a ninja as a youth. |
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Sashadroogie
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Haven't you done so already? Francis' tome, I mean. Not the Headway, which at least has the virtue of not being an explicit Neo-Con manifesto. For there is only one manifesto that is worth reading all these years later: "A spectre is haunting Europe..."
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/course/mscp.pdf
A valuable text for myriad uses in the indoctrination cam...ahem!TEFL classroom. |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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And back to LongShiKong:
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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the majority of ELT jobs in places without a solid knowledge economy and where post-sec enrollment is therefore limited? In most N.A. classrooms, desks stopped facing the front in those nice neat rows long ago in order to facilitate pair and group work.
Anyone in S. America, the Middle East, Eastern Europe care to comment?
EDIT: Didn't our fine fluffy friend comment on returning to his cert school many years later only to find his very same trainer? McMorrow and Spiral, as much as I appreciate your insight and experience, I can't help but wonder how much time you've spent in non-westernized education contexts. |
For me, 6 years so far in Central/Eastern Europe. 2 based in Canada, though I was partly on international projects (in CEE). 6+ in Western Europe. Heading back to CEE shortly.
I can comment for Europe, Western and Central, and to a limited degree for business students in Russia. Also for Canada to some degree. No, no nice neat rows facing front. No, no teacher-as-font-of-all-wisdom. Most students have university education.
I can't agree with the premise that 'most ELT jobs are in places lacking a solid knowledge economy,' I'm afraid.
There are many thousands of ELT teachers working in European and North American classrooms where this isn't the case at all. I can't speak for Latin America or the ME, though I've worked pretty extensively with Saudis. |
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Sashadroogie
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Excuse me?! What's with all these attempted Sinatra comebacks? You've all bowed out. The field is mine. Glory to Russia!
Hic! |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry. Back to the Parade, URA/HIC! |
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