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1st Sgt Welsh
Joined: 13 Dec 2010
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Location: Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
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There were some interesting and logical comments by numerous posters but the sensitive generals comments about starting your own school because there is no competition, please lead me and others in the direction of an organisations such as IDP where we can set up a system of dishonest marketing and conflicts of interest with a school such as ACET. |
I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, but what are you talking about? |
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Master Shake
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The Mad Hatter
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| 1st Sgt Welsh wrote: |
| Nim Chimsky wrote: |
There were some interesting and logical comments by numerous posters but the sensitive generals comments about starting your own school because there is no competition, please lead me and others in the direction of an organisations such as IDP where we can set up a system of dishonest marketing and conflicts of interest with a school such as ACET. |
I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, but what are you talking about? |
I'll PM you. |
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Nim Chimsky
Joined: 28 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Hi Teachers
If you want to understand IDP Vietnam one needs to know some of iys history here.
IDP main business is to counsel students on studying overseas, focussing mainly on Australia since it is an Australian baesd organisation. It also is involved in IELTS testing. IDP started its first school in HCMC about 10 years ago with a substandard Vietnamese college. The director of the programe was a female baboon who was sacked from ILA because she could not manage the tribe of monkeys inn that tree. But since she was an Australian and a highly qualified one but incompetent, she decided to use one of the branches at ILA to swing over to IDP. IDP hired the australian baboon to run the programme but I suspect they didnt do a detailed analysis of the baboons skillls because they had a captive audience of students. This is where the conflict of interst and dishonesty starts. If you are a Vietnamese student and you want to obtain info about IELTS studying overseas etc you can go to the IDP HCMC office to get this info. IDP is required to market all of the Australian based organisations in Vietnam so if you run one of these organisations in HCMC you can take your flyers brochures etc to idp office and they are suppposed to give that to students who ask about studying IELTS academic english etc but thats not what it does, the counselllors only market the IDP school such as ACET OR THE previous school. So they hired the incompetent baboon to run the programme knowing full well that they will lead all of the students to that school instead of other schools. Well it worked for about 6 months ut it failed evenytually due to the stupid baboon. Well, IDP closed the programme but the baboon decided to swing to another school BIS British International Schhol one of the most successful international schools in HCMC, of course the baboon got a senior teaching position and her previous failures weret hrown down the memory hole.
IDP waitied a few years to start another school and it finally started ACET and they do the same thing as before- send all of the students to ACET instead of other australian schools in hcmc, this time it is working because ACET has had some good managers and teachers, but the question is would acet still be in business if IDP gave all of the enquiring students info about all of the aussie based schools in HCMC? doubt it. According to a few of my friends who are teaching at ACET HCMC they also employ Vietnamese EFL teachers who are paid about 50% of the native english speaeking teachers. this is the first time that I have heard of a foreign reputable schholl run by foreigners doing this. Interesting?
Mater shaker you are a master in shaking things up-loved the website!
dont forget that the usual posters will will call you bitter, jaded, angry, even call you a criminal to discredit you instead of the dealing with the message- no worries their posts generally have no substance so disregardthe rubbish.
Hope you enjoy your new teaching gig in HCMC.
Best regrds
Nim Chimsky |
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1st Sgt Welsh
Joined: 13 Dec 2010
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Location: Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Nim Chimsky wrote: |
If you want to understand IDP Vietnam one needs to know some of iys history here.
IDP main business is to counsel students on studying overseas, focussing mainly on Australia since it is an Australian baesd organisation. It also is involved in IELTS testing. IDP started its first school in HCMC about 10 years ago with a substandard Vietnamese college. The director of the programe was a female baboon who was sacked from ILA because she could not manage the tribe of monkeys inn that tree. But since she was an Australian and a highly qualified one but incompetent, she decided to use one of the branches at ILA to swing over to IDP. IDP hired the australian baboon to run the programme but I suspect they didnt do a detailed analysis of the baboons skillls because they had a captive audience of students. This is where the conflict of interst and dishonesty starts. If you are a Vietnamese student and you want to obtain info about IELTS studying overseas etc you can go to the IDP HCMC office to get this info. IDP is required to market all of the Australian based organisations in Vietnam so if you run one of these organisations in HCMC you can take your flyers brochures etc to idp office and they are suppposed to give that to students who ask about studying IELTS academic english etc but thats not what it does, the counselllors only market the IDP school such as ACET OR THE previous school. So they hired the incompetent baboon to run the programme knowing full well that they will lead all of the students to that school instead of other schools. Well it worked for about 6 months ut it failed evenytually due to the stupid baboon. Well, IDP closed the programme but the baboon decided to swing to another school BIS British International Schhol one of the most successful international schools in HCMC, of course the baboon got a senior teaching position and her previous failures weret hrown down the memory hole.
IDP waitied a few years to start another school and it finally started ACET and they do the same thing as before- send all of the students to ACET instead of other australian schools in hcmc, this time it is working because ACET has had some good managers and teachers, but the question is would acet still be in business if IDP gave all of the enquiring students info about all of the aussie based schools in HCMC? doubt it. According to a few of my friends who are teaching at ACET HCMC they also employ Vietnamese EFL teachers who are paid about 50% of the native english speaeking teachers. this is the first time that I have heard of a foreign reputable schholl run by foreigners doing this. Interesting? |
I guess I should say thanks for an interesting response. In regards to the Australian, female, incompetent "baboon", I personally don't know the person you are referring to, but I'm sure many people here do as you have given enough of her work history for her to be identified. Anyway, my views on this sort of thing have been expressed before so I'll move on.
To be honest, I found your post on the history of ACET a bit, [unintentionally I'm sure], misleading as the school is not that new. There have been ACET schools in both HCMC and Hanoi since 2002.
Secondly, you seem to object to IDP encouraging potential students to enroll at ACET. IDP is a part owner of ACET! You honestly expect them to feel obligated to steer potential business out the door and to the competition? Why would they, or any business, do that? Indeed, if they have the opportunities and they don't use it to encourage potential students to go to ACET they ought to have their heads read! Also lets be upfront and state that IDP can't "send students" anywhere. All they can do is give recommendations and it's up to the individual who they want to give their business to.
In regards to how much Vietnamese teachers earn at ACET, I can't really comment for sure. Ages ago when I was up at Hanoi I heard that it was the same as the native speakers, but whether that was true and/or whether that applies to HCMC, I can't say.
| Nim Chimsky wrote: |
Mater shaker you are a master in shaking things up-loved the website!
dont forget that the usual posters will will call you bitter, jaded, angry, even call you a criminal to discredit you instead of the dealing with the message- no worries their posts generally have no substance so disregardthe rubbish. |
I don't think any of "the usual posters" will be bothered by that link as they will see it for what it is. Namely, a light-hearted, amusing, tongue-in-cheek dig  . |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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Location: Colorado, USA
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| 1st Sgt Welsh wrote: |
| Nim Chimsky wrote: |
Mater shaker you are a master in shaking things up-loved the website!
dont forget that the usual posters will will call you bitter, jaded, angry, even call you a criminal to discredit you instead of the dealing with the message- no worries their posts generally have no substance so disregardthe rubbish. |
I don't think any of "the usual posters" will be bothered by that link as they will see it for what it is. Namely, a light-hearted, amusing, tongue-in-cheek dig . |
Thanks, Nim Chimski.
1st Sgt Welsh, while the site is light-hearted and amusing, I think many of the jokes are eerily close to the mark of what teaching English abroad is actually all about.
My favorite page is "Celta without tears" https://sites.google.com/site/englishdroid2/the-profession/celta-without-tears-1
I discovered this page shortly before doing CELTA in '06. This page was much better advice than anything the trainers (of breathtaking ugliness ) had told me to expect from the course. |
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8balldeluxe
Joined: 03 Jun 2009
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Location: vietnam
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| Really? May I ask why? Vietnamese seem to do things without any sense of a logical process. I'd much rather deal with "one of my own" than one of the natives. |
Why? Because they ( the locally based education experts) are ultimately in charge and anyone who tries to sit in a big plush chair and live out their management dreams here is deluding them selves and doing a serious disservice to teachers in the process. You are not a manager here. you can never be. Why would you even try? I have seen this same scenario repeated time and time again : that of a foreign manager getting minimized and having his her decisions hampered by the real powers behind the scenes, or above them. Conversely, I have also seen the scenario of what was once a good natured and easy going co teacher turn into a big headed ruthless tyrant when promoted to Head of English dept. You have a much better chance of making a good wage and being treated well if you can communicate directly with your Vietnamese superiors, and try to humor the expat manager. get on their good side and do not make them look bad. |
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