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dean_a_jones

Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 1151 Location: Wuhan, China
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| I don't want to stop teaching now simply because I don't have long left anyway. Mid June and thats it. The student's are great, and I don't want to let them down, because they've helped me with local things and great to teach (IG level) |
Fair enough, I feel the same about my students and wouldn't want to let them down. It is annoying as they pay the bills, so keeping them happy tends to be counterproductive for us in these situations, but as teachers it is obviously our natural impulse.
I'd still suggest withholding final grades if they are withholiding payment.
Just one other thought--Are any of the other teachers you work with more senior (either officially or because of longevity) and sticking around next year? If so, having them sit down and chat with the boss (or the bigger boss off the whole school) might help if they are willing to back you up. They may think they don't have to worry about you, but if they are worried about rocking the boat for those who are sticking around next year and have put in good service, they may be more open. This is the kind of thing I would do, which makes me either nice or stupid depending on your perspective.
Anyway, let us know how it ends up going. Hopefully you figure out a way to resolve it. |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011 Posts: 630 Location: Qingdao
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| My last option is to ask a lawyer to send a letter to the headmaster and hope for the best because I can't take this any further. |
Don't bother. You only waste more money.
Don't be shy about informing them that ESL teachers are a rather small minority and that word of a school that reneges on payment will bite them in the ass.
It's not entirely true and you should not word it as I have but....try and get the point across. |
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johntpartee
Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| She said she dosen't care about the contract anymore |
That makes everything moot. |
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GeminiTiger
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 999 Location: China, 2005--Present
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:37 am Post subject: |
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I can't imagine a school not paying for the air-fare but your going to have to tell us more information to get real help.
If your accepted a less than legal position you might be out of luck.
If your working at a school like a public high school or a university do not turn in grades until the situation is resolved. Make it know at the English department what is going on, contact other foreigners you work with for advice and at last go to the place where you got your visa with the best and most trustworthy translator you can and start to ask questions there. |
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choudoufu

Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:44 am Post subject: |
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what if you contact the parents of all your students, explain
the school is breaking the contract, and you don't have
enough to pay for your flight. ask them to take up a
collection.
and if you have an id that allows you to stay, you can
protest in front of the school until they cough up the dough. |
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Lobster

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 2040 Location: Somewhere under the Sea
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Do the only thing you can do. Stop work immediately. Refuse to go back to class until the airefare and June pay is given to you in full. Sure the students will be let down, but that's how it goes sometimes. Believe me, if you finish teaching you'll never see the money. The pressure of not having you in the classroom and the disgruntled students is your only leverage.
If you see out the term with these rascals, don't expect to get your June pay anyway. They've proven themselves to be untrustworthy. Take the May pay and stay home until the money's in the bank.
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rogerwilco
Joined: 10 Jun 2010 Posts: 1549
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: |
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I know you care for the students, and maybe you feel that you are being noble, but in continuing to teach you are just allowing yourself to be abused by people that just do not care about you.
Also, allowing the school to cheat you might just make life more difficult for any teachers that stay, or that teach at that school in the future.
After you make your decision as to how you handle this situation it would be appreciated if you could return here and tell us the name of this school . |
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Miles Smiles

Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1294 Location: Heebee Jeebee
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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OP:
Now that we have more info: If you didn't fly to China specifically to teach at your present school, but traveled from one location to another within China, the likelihood that your present employer will pay your way back is nil. If you had an agreement with your first employer for him to pay your way back to the UK but you stayed in China and went to work elsewhere, you can't compel your present employer to reimburse you.
Your first employer should have reimbursed you, and he would have done so by buying you a ticket to go home. I've seen this situation arise before, and never has the second, third or fourth school reimbursed the teacher. |
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Ariadne
Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 960
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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The schools I've worked for had a set amount that was stipulated in the contract for airfare. I didn't have to show tickets. I didn't have to travel to receive the money. At two schools the amount was paid at the end of the contract, at my current school it is paid half after the first term and the other half at the end of the second term. What is the wording in your contract?
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Miles Smiles

Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1294 Location: Heebee Jeebee
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Ariadne wrote: |
The schools I've worked for had a set amount that was stipulated in the contract for airfare. I didn't have to show tickets. I didn't have to travel to receive the money. At two schools the amount was paid at the end of the contract, at my current school it is paid half after the first term and the other half at the end of the second term. What is the wording in your contract?
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At the public institutions that I've worked for, if one did not fly in for that school and did not return to his place of origin, no RETURN airfare reimbursement or tickets were awarded. Reimbursement for incoming airfare (if the FT actually flew in) was usually given around the the week of May 1 or the first week of October.
It seems to me that the first employer SHOULD shoulder the burden of return reimbursement no matter what the FT decides to do. |
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Exp_China
Joined: 11 May 2012 Posts: 18
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the responses. There's been a few.
So the general consensus is to stop teaching until I get my airfare. However if I do this I'm probably likely to not even get paid for May and June (My last pay will be in mid June + 1000yuan atm).
I did not come with a VISA (wish I had now). As it could be a safety net, i'm not sure. I have a Chinese ID which allows me to stay in China for a long time, but is not the same as a China born person. Therefore VISA is not necessary.
The job is legal, and the pay, accomodation is decent, so no problems there.
MilesSmiles - I worked somewhere else in China before yes, however the 1st school had already given me a ticket to go home, so I did for 2 weeks and then flew from the UK bk to China again. The position is legal.
Adriadne - The contract dosen't say much about airfare reimbursement, apart things such as if you break the contract etc etc u, or party A will pay this. The part that is valid or not? is in my first post.
The headmaster thinks i'm the one in the wrong not them, that's the problem and I have no marking left. They are doing IG exams already. |
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Exp_China
Joined: 11 May 2012 Posts: 18
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| dean_a_jones wrote: |
Just one other thought--Are any of the other teachers you work with more senior (either officially or because of longevity) and sticking around next year? If so, having them sit down and chat with the boss (or the bigger boss off the whole school) might help if they are willing to back you up. |
Yes, the other 3 teachers are more senior, but with that came experience. 2 of them had asked the school to buy the ticket and then post it to them or they wouldn't come to the school. 1 has settled in China permananetly.
It's a nice school, just not run by a person who has ever taught before. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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The reason was she felt I'm leavng her in the lerch. She said I should be grateful this and that, that she hired and trained me to become a better teacher etc. |
Did you promise her multiple years? If that is the case, then she has every right to be angry. No right to stiff you, mind you.
Name and shame the school so other teachers can avoid working for her. |
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Lobster

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 2040 Location: Somewhere under the Sea
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Just another reason why FTs should negotiate a lump sum payout at contract end instead of some shady "airfare reimbursement" that can be danced around by an employer. For example, some employers will request a chopped paper receipt, knowing full well that most paople buy an e-ticket, and then refuse to accept whatever proof of payment is provided. Just ask for 10k tax exempt and save yourself the headache.
If they expected him to stay for more than 1 year I guess they should have negotiated a multi-year contract.
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choudoufu

Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Flight ticket not reimbursed - what can I do? |
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This was written in the contract appendix:
III. Other Terms
1. If Party A cancels the contract under the conditions stated in the Contract, Party A will not pay the round-way plane ticket reimbursement and traveling allowance for Party B.
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does it say anywhere in the contract (or in the appendix) that they
will pay airfare? if so, do they pay to your home country or to the
location from which you were hired? if from hiring location, where
were you when you negotiated/signed the contract? |
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