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Plume D'ella Plumeria



Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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Location: The Lost Horizon

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Thanks for the Warning Reply with quote

NOW, I get what GWOW was on about in the locked thread. When I first read it, it was like he was speaking in tongues. I had no real idea as to what he was insinuating.

Now, I do. Our school in Beijing had a visitation today from the lovely burly men dressed in blue and wearing peaked caps. One of them could actually speak English and roughed me up pretty well. Verbally, not physically. Although, if I had been less cooperative and less forthcoming with information, who knows what might have happened?

Luckily, I am working legally. Still, they took my passport, to "check a few things" and promised its return next week.

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Ariadne



Joined: 16 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took your passport and promised its return next week???? If this is part of the process to get your new RP in the passport, well OK. If they just took it for the heck of it... 'to check a few things'... that's weird, and very unsettling. Can you tell us more about what they said to you and what questions they asked during the 'interview'? Are there other teachers at your school and were their passports taken too? Was your FAO present? What was his/her reaction?

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Plume D'ella Plumeria



Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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Location: The Lost Horizon

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariadne, please let me get back to you later with more detail when I am less upset and unsettled.

It was an upsetting experience. No, it wasn't a matter of putting something in my passport; it was more of a going through it with a fine-tooth comb, magnifying glass thing.

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They wanted to know my monthly earnings. How many hours a week worked. Who I worked with (Here, I was very protective of my work-mates, did not disclose names and kept things as vague as I could).

I work at a kindy so no FAO. The principal was in attendance, the owner was a phone call away ( and did, in fact, call me several times to reassure me) and a primary investor in the school (who is married to a somewhat high-ranking official) was physically present to apply oil to the wheels.

Still, it was scary. The police officer did his best to intimidate me, and intimidated, I certainly was. I told the truth and nothing but the truth despite the school's advice to lie like a rug.

I will lie about a haircut or a new item of clothing. White lies, if you will. I will not lie to a police officer, especially one in a country with rules so different than my own.

To answer your last question, by chance, three out of our five foreign teachers were away as a matter of coincidence. One subbing for another teacher at another one of our schools. One out for the morning due to personal circumstances. Another away for an off-grounds event. They were the lucky ones.

I was left behind along with another teacher who is having visa issues because of the present political circumstances. She had the presence of mind to lie. I had no such thing because it came down to me out of the blue (literally).

I was truthful because that's how I am by nature. Hopefully, it won't come back to bite me ...
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creeper1



Joined: 24 Aug 2010
Posts: 481
Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheesh. I guess I might have to consider carrying my passport with me while this crackdown is going on.

That is annoying because I don't normally carry the dawm thing.

I guessed the crackdown would be stronger in the foreign areas of Sanlitun or Wuduaoku.

Where in Beijing are you? I am out in the west, Wanshoulu/ Babaoshan area.
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rogerwilco



Joined: 10 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Thanks for the Warning Reply with quote

Plume D'ella Plumeria wrote:
Still, they took my passport, to "check a few things" and promised its return next week.


Did the police give you some sort of receipt for your passport ?
If not, what happens if you are out and get stopped by another police officer ?
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scholar



Joined: 18 May 2012
Posts: 159

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks like a perfect example of how the system is working. You are legal, you were able to present your passport with appropriate stamps, and so there was no trouble. They will just check it to tie up loose ends, you'll get it back and no problems. This whole issue has been overblown on the web.
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rogerwilco



Joined: 10 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scholar wrote:
This looks like a perfect example of how the system is working. You are legal, you were able to present your passport with appropriate stamps, and so there was no trouble. They will just check it to tie up loose ends, you'll get it back and no problems. This whole issue has been overblown on the web.
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Any and all information in a passport can be written down and checked back at the police station without needing to physically take the passport.

Taking away a persons passport is taking away their freedom to travel, take a train, check into a hotel, etc.
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Gtomas



Joined: 03 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scholar wrote:
This looks like a perfect example of how the system is working. You are legal, you were able to present your passport with appropriate stamps, and so there was no trouble. They will just check it to tie up loose ends, you'll get it back and no problems. This whole issue has been overblown on the web.


How is taking someones passport an acceptable course of action? Why are you assuming such good things about the police?

So now the OP can't go to hotels, can't travel, etc. Why not just take a picture of the passport?

Maybe it's my Western expectation for a very basic level of respect--especially to those who are innocent of any crimes.

What impression do you think this event leaves on the OP? He seems like a decent person coming work in China. Will good people like him keep coming if this stuff happens? (Note: I have no idea who the OP is...)
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Gtomas



Joined: 03 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to know if this "crack down" on illegals will spread to Shanghai or Shenzhen, where powerful men have an investment in foreigners working in the "grey" area of legality.

Beijing is obviously a very politically charged place--being the capital and all. What about the investment centers?

Most people know the Chinese legal system has been designed so everyone is breaking some law all the time. That way they can punish you at any moment.

Every foreigner reading this could probably be kicked out of the country for something. IE not registering in a city they traveled to a year ago for three days. If you did register? Well I'm sure they could quickly lose your records.
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