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bluetortilla

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 815 Location: Henan
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: How to Prepare Oneself for a Job Move |
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I just started a thread here:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=96523&highlight=
and after receiving a lot of really helpful advice (thanks everyone) I've decided that although I want to patch things up as best as I can and finish the year, I'm not so sure anymore if I'd take a renewal if it was offered to me. That could change of course. As I've mentioned in the thread, my one-year contract ends in February 2013, not July 2012.
In case I do change jobs, I'd like to start searching as soon as possible. The thing is, there are reasons why I want to stay in the city I'm in (Guangzhou), which will obviously make the search more difficult. Although I'd like to move up, I am faced with the a very possible prospect of a lateral move. To tell the truth, teaching elementary school would be preferable to that and fit in well with my goals now and my experience, but I see very little elementary school teaching on the boards.
I have no idea of whether my school is following my posts here or not, but if they are (I highly doubt it) I'd like to say that I'm here to do my best and I will of course honor my contract. Having said that, my question is, assuming my school isn't tracking me, how do I start job inquiries? Is it safe to post my resume here on the forums? Can I go about this process openly? When should I bring up the topic of renewal with my school? Do people get forced out of their jobs without severance pay (though they've done nothing to breach contract) over things like job prospecting while under said contract?
For anyone who's been through this situation, your advice is golden. |
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teachingld2004
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 389
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: looking for a new job |
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Blue,
Why don't you just give the job a chance? Seems like you just started. Feb 2013 is far away.
If there are things you do not like about the job, change. Do not beat yourself up.
Question: Why would you bring up renewal at this early date? I am sure (almost) that things are going to change in the next few months.
If you want to put your resume on, I do not thnk now is the time. Schools do not look to hire this early in advance. And if you want to put your resume on, just make a new ID.
Calm down. Relax with a bottle of cheap wine and a good book. Life is what you make of it.
(i have had my share of crap jobs. Life is too short to dwell on thnks that can not be changed at the moment. Do not make yourself sick.) |
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teachingld2004
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 389
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: job |
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OOPS, just read your second page.
As you know, when some one is the first teacher, people expect the moon and the stars. I have taught beginners who thought that they knew more then me.
They said my lessons were too easy, and then they said my lessons were too hard. they said I gave too much HW, and then I did not give enough. Parents said it was my fault the kids did not improve. (duh, if the student (any age) never comes to class, or when they come they text, and they do not even bring a pencil, how can they learn? They can't.
I see (now, sorry not before) that you have taught for many years. You then know that "teaching" means one thing to some one and one to another. In some schools all a teacher has to do is smile and play bingo (any age) and in another school all they want is "hard" work.
Give the job a longer change. OR, look around. I am sure that there are many schools where you can get a new job in a few days.
Again, good luck. |
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johntpartee
Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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If the job has you in such a quandary, the best thing to do is split. Honor your commitment, of course, but it's not worth a stroke if you have so much turmoil. They aren't "watching" you, relax. Lots of people have stories about the walls having ears, but...... |
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bluetortilla

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 815 Location: Henan
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:59 am Post subject: Re: job |
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teachingld2004 wrote: |
OOPS, just read your second page.
As you know, when some one is the first teacher, people expect the moon and the stars. I have taught beginners who thought that they knew more then me.
They said my lessons were too easy, and then they said my lessons were too hard. they said I gave too much HW, and then I did not give enough. Parents said it was my fault the kids did not improve. (duh, if the student (any age) never comes to class, or when they come they text, and they do not even bring a pencil, how can they learn? They can't.
I see (now, sorry not before) that you have taught for many years. You then know that "teaching" means one thing to some one and one to another. In some schools all a teacher has to do is smile and play bingo (any age) and in another school all they want is "hard" work.
Give the job a longer change. OR, look around. I am sure that there are many schools where you can get a new job in a few days.
Again, good luck. |
Wow, if I could summarize the position I'm in, this is it! The thing is, I DO care about my students even if they're not all on board, I DO believe in my methods and I work hard at it, and finally I DO believe that with patience and persistence these young people, or at least a good portion of them, can become better English speakers. I've never been a minute late , complained, or caused anyone the least headache.
And that's the best I can do. I've been a employer before and if I were working for me, I wouldn't want to lose me. Not boasting- just saying that as an employer I'm looking for stable and dedicated teachers. If I have those two factors, I can always trust their methods.
Good advice and I'm not as freaked out now. I suppose I'll continue doing what I'm doing for the end of the term and see from there. Other conditions- pay, housing, class hours, are all very good here. |
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xiguagua

Joined: 09 Oct 2011 Posts: 768
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:27 am Post subject: |
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I've said it before, and I still think it's much more important to have a satisfactory job than to live in a satisfactory city. Doesn't matter if you're in heaven......if your students are making your life miserable......you will not be enjoying your time there. Your time in the classroom has a huge effect on you outside the classroom and for me, when I was happy in class, I was happy out of class even in the most POS cities. But when I had bad students, it didn't matter that my apartment was simply amazing, and living in a super small cheap city making lots of money with great FAO's.......I hated my life there and I left.
Parents can make your job much more difficult...they ALWAYS have something stupid to complain about. Simply put, those yokels wouldn't be able to teach their way out of a paper bag, so listening to their "advice" is irrational when you're an educated, experienced teacher. Listening to and accepting feedback and adopting some changes to improve is one thing......but taking to heart and trying to revamp what you're doing based on some comments from someone that can't speak 1 word of English and is complaining about your class because their kids are lazy sacks is something you shouldn't do.
Just keep on keepin on. If it gets unbearable then I wouldn't fault you for leaving. A job that makes you miserable isn't a job worth having imo. |
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7969

Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:50 am Post subject: |
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xiguagua wrote: |
I've said it before, and I still think it's much more important to have a satisfactory job than to live in a satisfactory city. Doesn't matter if you're in heaven......if your students are making your life miserable......you will not be enjoying your time there. |
I agree with you. The city I live in is F&^%$#@ boring 99% of the time. However the job is very good and there's enough holiday time to make my time here worth living. |
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bluetortilla

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 815 Location: Henan
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:26 am Post subject: |
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7969 wrote: |
xiguagua wrote: |
I've said it before, and I still think it's much more important to have a satisfactory job than to live in a satisfactory city. Doesn't matter if you're in heaven......if your students are making your life miserable......you will not be enjoying your time there. |
I agree with you. The city I live in is F&^%$#@ boring 99% of the time. However the job is very good and there's enough holiday time to make my time here worth living. |
I agree too. However, sometimes we might other commitments that make it difficult to move. I would say though that in a city of over 10 million I'd think you'd find something reasonable.
About mothers, I don't know about China but as a former school owner in Japan I realized pretty quickly that though they liked to complain a lot, they rarely pulled their kids out. So I didn't take it too seriously after a while. A lot of people just feel it their duty to bitch I guess... |
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therock

Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1266 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:07 am Post subject: |
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7969 wrote: |
xiguagua wrote: |
I've said it before, and I still think it's much more important to have a satisfactory job than to live in a satisfactory city. Doesn't matter if you're in heaven......if your students are making your life miserable......you will not be enjoying your time there. |
I agree with you. The city I live in is F&^%$#@ boring 99% of the time. However the job is very good and there's enough holiday time to make my time here worth living. |
If we use this logic, then every city can / is boring 99% of the time, not just in China, but also your beloved Canada. It's not the city, it's the person. |
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7969

Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:09 am Post subject: |
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That's rich, coming from a guy who constantly refers to various places in China as "holes."
My hometown is infinitely more boring than where I'm at, which is part of the reason I'm here. It's not that bad actually but after six years life here has lost its edge. Once the summer's over and I've had a decent vacation it'll be fine again. |
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therock

Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1266 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:40 am Post subject: |
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7969 wrote: |
That's rich, coming from a guy who constantly refers to various places in China as "holes.". |
I believe I have only ever referred to Shijizhuang and Hebei province as holes. I also mentioned I lived there for two years, and to be honest I had a good two years, but on reflection the province is one big hole. The OP was asking about the place, I gave my opinion. What's so "rich" about that? |
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bluetortilla

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 815 Location: Henan
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:47 am Post subject: |
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therock wrote: |
7969 wrote: |
That's rich, coming from a guy who constantly refers to various places in China as "holes.". |
I believe I have only ever referred to Shijizhuang and Hebei province as holes. I also mentioned I lived there for two years, and to be honest I had a good two years, but on reflection the province is one big hole. The OP was asking about the place, I gave my opinion. What's so "rich" about that? |
Jus a sec. I'm in Guangzhou, and want to stay. Anyway, I love it here, and I like my job. I've just had some flack and could see growing to dislike it very much indeed if it gets worse.
I don't expect my college to be perfect, but I do want to know where I stand with the Department. You can't clip a bird's wings then ask it to fly. |
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therock

Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1266 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:05 am Post subject: |
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bluetortilla wrote: |
therock wrote: |
7969 wrote: |
That's rich, coming from a guy who constantly refers to various places in China as "holes.". |
I believe I have only ever referred to Shijizhuang and Hebei province as holes. I also mentioned I lived there for two years, and to be honest I had a good two years, but on reflection the province is one big hole. The OP was asking about the place, I gave my opinion. What's so "rich" about that? |
Jus a sec. I'm in Guangzhou, and want to stay. Anyway, I love it here, and I like my job. I've just had some flack and could see growing to dislike it very much indeed if it gets worse.
I don't expect my college to be perfect, but I do want to know where I stand with the Department. You can't clip a bird's wings then ask it to fly. |
I agree with you totally, Guangzhou is a great city to live in.
Generally contracts start from September to July, some places will have vacancies for the Spring semester (February) but these are generally because the teacher has left earlier, done a runner or the city is a hole (like Shijiazhuang) and couldn't get anyone to sign a year contract. Since Guangzhou is a decent place to live, most teachers here are on September - July contracts and not many of them leave early, unless the school is not fullfilling their side of the contract and if that's the case, do you really want to work at a school like that? If your heart is set on staying in Guangzhou, you might have to slog it out in a private language school for a few months next year before commencing at a new school in September 2013. |
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bluetortilla

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 815 Location: Henan
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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therock wrote: |
If your heart is set on staying in Guangzhou, you might have to slog it out in a private language school for a few months next year before commencing at a new school in September 2013. |
Yes, it's awkward. I don't suppose people give half year contracts do they? After all, as much as I'm leery about where I'm at, I'd have to be pretty desperate to join a language school. Of course this being China I don't know what that's like. In Japan it can be quite miserable to not bad, depending on who you work for.
I am quite comfortable teaching elementary school kids, so if the language school involves a lot of that, that would be OK with me. God save me though if the whole thing is a snake oil outfit selling some magic method. Or the 'Disney' brand. All apologies if anyone reading this works there, but the name alone sounds evil enough to me. Well, one step at a time, cross that bridge later and all that... |
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therock

Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1266 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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bluetortilla wrote: |
Yes, it's awkward. I don't suppose people give half year contracts do they? ... |
Re-read my post. Highly unlikely in Guangzhou, unless someone has quit or done a runner mid-contract. You could always try another city or area for 6 months, then return to Guangzhou. |
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