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All Audio-Lingual, All the Time!
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a well-known FACT that empty vodka bottles make most noise. Perfect for ALM classrooms and unusual trajectories.

Smile

Hic!

Hic!
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the Eddie Izzard link, Sasha.

For any of us learning French in that generation, he brings it all back. The language lab. The boredom. Those horrible books. The complete pointlessness of what we "learnt".

Fortunately, my school abandoned the audio method a couple of years after I started secondary school. It was only then that I got really interested in French - and good enough to study it for my degree.

Jetgirly: I think you should show that youtube link to your school!
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DebMer wrote:
Grooooaaaaannnnnn! One thing I hate about public schools is the way they jump on so many bandwagons and change curriculum so frequently. It's like pedagogical square dancing.


Exactly what I was thinking--'promiscuous methodism'--part of why I dropped out of my B.Ed last year. I'd forgotten teaching was a gov't job until I attended my first staff meeting on practicum. But I should've known: the year previous a friend and Toronto high school dept head advised me to use current buzz words and drop names in my admission application to U of T's B.Ed program.
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zactherat



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@teacher in rome
you actually just taught me the 'they' conjugation in French - I never knew that before ~

long live solid structure!


@Sashadroogie
your alcoholic jokes are not really that funny.


Are we allowed to make jokes about other drug addictions?

because my cousin in Florida is really into bathing salts..
so much so that he'd bite off _______ to spite _______.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who says they are jokes?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@Sashadroogie
your alcoholic jokes are not really that funny


You must have missed the on-topic allusions embedded in what might appear on a very cursory reading to be jokes.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: All Audio-Lingual, All the Time! Reply with quote

Jetgirly wrote:

We recently got a new department head, and she recently attended some professional development run by a company (I'm not exactly sure who, but they sell thousand-dollar kits of teacher resources!). The basic premise- actually, the entire premise- is that students can only learn a language through the audio-lingual method.


Interesting that your school dept head has the power to set (?) curricular guidelines and expectations. How much of a difference is this ALM from how languages were previously taught? Where I come from, it's the province that does that. Just curious, what's the brand name of the ALM pedalled by this PD.
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have as thorough a background in SLA as you are ever going to find. Having studied 2nd language acquisition for years and having taught ESL/EFL for even more years, I am throughly convinced that a solid audio lingual program is the perfect way to start true beginners in a second language. A month or two of drill and kill activates automaticity in the second language, and provides just enough instant access to basic structures to allow students to begin communicative learning. A few months of communicative learning can then lead to productive content-based learning. That is my vision of the perfect program...a healthy combination of approaches that accomplish different goals as students progress. So, what do you think? Cool
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep. Certain (false) beginners (usually the ones who also need a lot of pronunciation work) need far more of this than others--the challenge of course with this type of learner is inevitably to keep them mindful otherwise it becomes 'demeaning' practice. Those who condemn student-centered teaching and the 'CELTA method' obviously recognize its value.
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had 3 years of audio lingual instruction in high school ((back in the dark ages, mind you) an I never once felt demeaned by it. At the time, it struck me as a sensible way to teach a one-hour foreign language class. The dialogues were silly and it was hard to keep a straight face at times, but in the end I learned a lot. When I finally visited a country where I had to communicate in the foreign language, I found I had all the necessary resources at hand. It made communication less humiliating because I had so many "language chunks" at my disposal. I think I was able to respond faster andspeak with greater courage because of my years of behaviorist- inspired audio lingual training. I am not sure that a true beginner who started with a communicative approach would have felt so well- prepared and confident in conversation.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mia Xanthi wrote:
I had 3 years of audio lingual instruction in high school ...


That was then, but this is now. Those where the days of long attention spans and non-interactive media.

I somewhat regret not using it from the beginning with one false beginner group although I'm sure they'd lose interest very quickly as here in Asia, many are so conditioned through years of schooling, they confuse studying with learning. Acquisition is obviously not everyone's prime motive, even among those intending to go overseas. Only once they arrive in an English-speaking country, do they fully realize this distinction.

You didn't feel demeaned after 3 yrs? I remember our first French teacher in grade 6 leaving the class in tears within what may have been 3 months but I don't recall why. Perhaps we'd had enough with the mindless mouthing of everything she said. I remember feeling personally like I wanted to see the written equivalent and to be challenged in some small way. Had she used, inflection, replacement and restatement, she might have lasted longer.

During my B.Ed prac, I noticed the French teacher accompanying every word with a hand gesture along with English translation for new vocab. He used some CLL where he'd lead students in putting what they expressed into French.

[quote="Wikipedia (on ALM)]Oral drills

Drills and pattern practice are typical of the Audiolingual method. (Richards, J.C. et-al. 1986) These include
Repetition : where the student repeats an utterance as soon as he hears it
Inflection : Where one word in a sentence appears in another form when repeated
Replacement : Where one word is replaced by another
Restatement : The student re-phrases an utterance

Examples

Inflection : Teacher : I ate the sandwich. Student : I ate the sandwiches.
Replacement : Teacher : He bought the car for half-price. Student : He bought it for half-price.
Restatement : Teacher : Tell me not to smoke so often. Student : Don't smoke so often!
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