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HLJHLJ
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The problem isn't in determining whether or not the levels are safe, but in what lay people will accept as as reliable evidence.
If the government say it's safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they would say that'.
If independent organisations say it's safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they are towing the government line'.
If independent organisations say it's not safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they are scaremongering'.
The only answer everyone will accept is if the government say it's not safe. (Because no government is going to admit that outright unless it's REALLY not safe).
Radiation levels is not a yes/no question. It's always a matter of measurement and interpretation. The people who are choosing to believe it is safe will continue to do so (unless the government says it's not). Those are choosing to believe it is unsafe will not be convinced otherwise.
None of the organisations involved have sufficient unilateral trust to be able to convince the other side. Short of constantly taking your own measurements nothing will break the stalemate, even then you would be constantly second guessing yourself. |
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Mr_Monkey
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Location: Kyuuuuuushuuuuuuu
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| HLJHLJ wrote: |
The problem isn't in determining whether or not the levels are safe, but in what lay people will accept as as reliable evidence.
If the government say it's safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they would say that'.
If independent organisations say it's safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they are towing the government line'.
If independent organisations say it's not safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they are scaremongering'.
The only answer everyone will accept is if the government say it's not safe. (Because no government is going to admit that outright unless it's REALLY not safe).
Radiation levels is not a yes/no question. It's always a matter of measurement and interpretation. The people who are choosing to believe it is safe will continue to do so (unless the government says it's not). Those are choosing to believe it is unsafe will not be convinced otherwise.
None of the organisations involved have sufficient unilateral trust to be able to convince the other side. Short of constantly taking your own measurements nothing will break the stalemate, even then you would be constantly second guessing yourself. |
In short:
Most people are both stupid and uninformed and will talk about "nuclear radiation" as if there's any other kind.
The take-home, kids, is that:
JAPAN IS DANGEROUS AND YOU SHOULDN'T COME HERE - IT WILL KILL NOT ONLY YOU BUT ALSO YOUR FAMILY.
This is particularly true if you believe you can teach English (most of you can't) and you might be in competition with me for a job (most of you won't). |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Way, way off course.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr_Monkey wrote: |
In short:
Most people are both stupid and uninformed and will talk about "nuclear radiation" as if there's any other kind.
The take-home, kids, is that:
JAPAN IS DANGEROUS AND YOU SHOULDN'T COME HERE - IT WILL KILL NOT ONLY YOU BUT ALSO YOUR FAMILY.
This is particularly true if you believe you can teach English (most of you can't) and you might be in competition with me for a job (most of you won't). |
I see what you did there. 
Depressingly, however, most people won't. Which just reinforces point 1. |
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teacheratlarge
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Yes, he has reinforced the point that I probably don't want his job as it sounds as if there is little concrete thinking behind it.
But hey, what do I know, experienced browbeater that I am.
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| Most people are both stupid and uninformed and will talk about "nuclear radiation" as if there's any other kind. |
"and will talk about nuclear radiation..as if there's any other kind"???
How many types are there in your world?
Back on track, people are worried, and what people accept as health risks (or any knid of risk..monetary, social, etc..) will vary. |
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ZennoSaji
Joined: 02 Feb 2010
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Location: Mito, Ibaraki
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:16 am Post subject: |
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How many types are there in your world?
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Solar, X-ray, microwave... |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009
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Location: Narita, Japan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| ZennoSaji wrote: |
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How many types are there in your world?
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Solar, X-ray, microwave... |
NHK broadcasts... |
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jmatt
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Mr_Monkey wrote: |
| HLJHLJ wrote: |
The problem isn't in determining whether or not the levels are safe, but in what lay people will accept as as reliable evidence.
If the government say it's safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they would say that'.
If independent organisations say it's safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they are towing the government line'.
If independent organisations say it's not safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they are scaremongering'.
The only answer everyone will accept is if the government say it's not safe. (Because no government is going to admit that outright unless it's REALLY not safe).
Radiation levels is not a yes/no question. It's always a matter of measurement and interpretation. The people who are choosing to believe it is safe will continue to do so (unless the government says it's not). Those are choosing to believe it is unsafe will not be convinced otherwise.
None of the organisations involved have sufficient unilateral trust to be able to convince the other side. Short of constantly taking your own measurements nothing will break the stalemate, even then you would be constantly second guessing yourself. |
In short:
Most people are both stupid and uninformed and will talk about "nuclear radiation" as if there's any other kind.
The take-home, kids, is that:
JAPAN IS DANGEROUS AND YOU SHOULDN'T COME HERE - IT WILL KILL NOT ONLY YOU BUT ALSO YOUR FAMILY.
This is particularly true if you believe you can teach English (most of you can't) and you might be in competition with me for a job (most of you won't). |
Thank you for a very reasoned and intelligent response! That's exactly what I was looking for. Your modesty is to be commended and you must be a tremendous asset at whatever institution is lucky enough to employ you! |
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Cool Teacher
Joined: 18 May 2009
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Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| jmatt wrote: |
| Mr_Monkey wrote: |
| HLJHLJ wrote: |
The problem isn't in determining whether or not the levels are safe, but in what lay people will accept as as reliable evidence.
If the government say it's safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they would say that'.
If independent organisations say it's safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they are towing the government line'.
If independent organisations say it's not safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they are scaremongering'.
The only answer everyone will accept is if the government say it's not safe. (Because no government is going to admit that outright unless it's REALLY not safe).
Radiation levels is not a yes/no question. It's always a matter of measurement and interpretation. The people who are choosing to believe it is safe will continue to do so (unless the government says it's not). Those are choosing to believe it is unsafe will not be convinced otherwise.
None of the organisations involved have sufficient unilateral trust to be able to convince the other side. Short of constantly taking your own measurements nothing will break the stalemate, even then you would be constantly second guessing yourself. |
In short:
Most people are both stupid and uninformed and will talk about "nuclear radiation" as if there's any other kind.
The take-home, kids, is that:
JAPAN IS DANGEROUS AND YOU SHOULDN'T COME HERE - IT WILL KILL NOT ONLY YOU BUT ALSO YOUR FAMILY.
This is particularly true if you believe you can teach English (most of you can't) and you might be in competition with me for a job (most of you won't). |
Thank you for a very reasoned and intelligent response! That's exactly what I was looking for. Your modesty is to be commended and you must be a tremendous asset at whatever institution is lucky enough to employ you! |
I like Mr Monkey because he is funny!  And he is maybe right about some people who go cracy about the nuclear radiation. Some people I know left Japan because they were worried about the nuclear radiation. |
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jmatt
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| Cool Teacher wrote: |
| jmatt wrote: |
| Mr_Monkey wrote: |
| HLJHLJ wrote: |
The problem isn't in determining whether or not the levels are safe, but in what lay people will accept as as reliable evidence.
If the government say it's safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they would say that'.
If independent organisations say it's safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they are towing the government line'.
If independent organisations say it's not safe many people refuse to accept it on the basis that 'they are scaremongering'.
The only answer everyone will accept is if the government say it's not safe. (Because no government is going to admit that outright unless it's REALLY not safe).
Radiation levels is not a yes/no question. It's always a matter of measurement and interpretation. The people who are choosing to believe it is safe will continue to do so (unless the government says it's not). Those are choosing to believe it is unsafe will not be convinced otherwise.
None of the organisations involved have sufficient unilateral trust to be able to convince the other side. Short of constantly taking your own measurements nothing will break the stalemate, even then you would be constantly second guessing yourself. |
In short:
Most people are both stupid and uninformed and will talk about "nuclear radiation" as if there's any other kind.
The take-home, kids, is that:
JAPAN IS DANGEROUS AND YOU SHOULDN'T COME HERE - IT WILL KILL NOT ONLY YOU BUT ALSO YOUR FAMILY.
This is particularly true if you believe you can teach English (most of you can't) and you might be in competition with me for a job (most of you won't). |
Thank you for a very reasoned and intelligent response! That's exactly what I was looking for. Your modesty is to be commended and you must be a tremendous asset at whatever institution is lucky enough to employ you! |
I like Mr Monkey because he is funny! And he is maybe right about some people who go cracy about the nuclear radiation. Some people I know left Japan because they were worried about the nuclear radiation. |
I was exaggerating, of course, and I agree with what he was trying to say---the fears are way too hyped up.
Still, hard to explain that to my Japanese wife sometimes who resists coming back when many in her family are telling her not to. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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http://uncannyterrain.com/blog/2012/06/14/our-results-are-in/
Here's an interesting blog post/article by a guy who has spent most of the last year in Fukushima prefecture. He and his wife were tested for radioactive cesium- the good news, they showed only very small amounts or none at all depending on the isotope, far lower than people in Chernobyl did.
The less good news is that doctors are still divided on what those trace amounts may mean for their future health- some say it won't cause a problem, others think it could.
The documentary they have been making should be an interesting watch. |
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