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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| What attracted you to this place originally? |
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Trebek
Joined: 30 Oct 2003
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Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| What attracted you to this place originally? |
I friend worked here said the FAO is a wonderful person to work for and she was correct. The town isn't bad. I like the scenery and the lack of industrialization, lots of old China still left. |
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johntpartee
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| Age doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm 59, I was 58 when I arrived in February. My insurance clause is exactly the same as the two 25 year olds and the 67 and 64 year old teachers here. They are jerking you around. They are breaking the contract. You can't do anything about it except call their bluff. |
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The Edge
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 455
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: Re: I've moved here and now they want to change my contract. |
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| Trebek wrote: |
I've been at my new Uni for two weeks now. Other than the very kind FAO the rest of the Chinese staff doesn't appear to like the cut of my jib.
I'm 190 cm tall, big shoulders, decent belly, weigh 136 Kilos, look like an American football linebacker.
I also bike more than 200 kms per week, swim like a fish, and only missed one day last year because of food poisoning.
Now they want me to sign a "Supplementary Agreement" stating that they dont have to pay my insurance or something. The English version is very vague, but that is the gist of it.
Is this normal? They have had my medical records for months.. My last school didn't ask me to sign this. I feel personally insulted.
What would you folks do if asked to sign this?? |
Tell them to "Do One".
They are laughing at you, pal. |
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Brian Hugh
Joined: 07 Jan 2012
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Location: China
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A contract means nothing here with a foreigner, for English teaching. What are you going to do when they break it the first month get a lawyer and spend three times more than your out? It is the same in everycountry. People here talk about being so tough with the locals but I have yet to meet someone who has gotten retribution for a breach.
Ask anyone that has been here a while and they will tell you the same, you have to know the person you are doing business with.THis is difficult if you are only negotiated over the internet.
If something goes wrong the Chinese will and must take the side of the Chinese. Same for Chinese in another country but they usually are together and have more quanzhi especially with their politicians.
Money is tightening here and the industry is not being regulated. People are losing money. People are making lots of you and other Chinese English teachers. |
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fat_chris
Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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Location: Beijing
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| quanzhi? |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Brian Hugh wrote: |
A contract means nothing here with a foreigner, for English teaching. What are you going to do when they break it the first month get a lawyer and spend three times more than your out? It is the same in everycountry. People here talk about being so tough with the locals but I have yet to meet someone who has gotten retribution for a breach.
Ask anyone that has been here a while and they will tell you the same, you have to know the person you are doing business with.THis is difficult if you are only negotiated over the internet.
If something goes wrong the Chinese will and must take the side of the Chinese. Same for Chinese in another country but they usually are together and have more quanzhi especially with their politicians.
Money is tightening here and the industry is not being regulated. People are losing money. People are making lots of you and other Chinese English teachers. |
What does this mean in English? |
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johntpartee
Joined: 02 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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guanxi (I think) |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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no problem. you don't want their crappy picc insurance anyway.
you want some real he-man superior education expat insurance.
insurance that pays for medical expenses, that pays outside of
china while on vacation, that pays for medevac back home, and
that pays to move your enormous body back if you buy the farm.
tell 'em you'll sign the amendment if they agree to pay you the
amount they are required (by safea?) to pay for your insurance.
they do know, don't they, that it is a requirement of employment?
picc insurance should run around 1650 rmb annually. |
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Lobster
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Location: Somewhere under the Sea
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First, tell them you'll "think about it"? If they ask again, tell them you'll "discuss it with friends". If they ask a third time, tell them "it's not convenient". Don't tell them you refuse to sign it, just don't sign it.
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Lobster wrote: |
First, tell them you'll "think about it"? If they ask again, tell them you'll "discuss it with friends". If they ask a third time, tell them "it's not convenient". Don't tell them you refuse to sign it, just don't sign it.
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ah, the old "bartleby, the scrivener" ploy! |
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Ariadne
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Lobster, great response. Simple. Perfect.
Trebek, you have your solution.
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Trebek
Joined: 30 Oct 2003
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Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Ariadne wrote: |
Lobster, great response. Simple. Perfect.
Trebek, you have your solution.
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LOVE IT!!!! Now I will research the show you've described..
Ok, the ole Melville story. I read this 15 years ago, thanks for bringing it up. It will work for a while but they will need a solid "No" eventually.
Fact is: I really don't care. Plenty of time to find a new job and it doesn't have to be in China...
Thanks for reminding me of that old story Lobster. It was a fun read.. |
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fat_chris
Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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Location: Beijing
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:56 am Post subject: |
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John,
quanzhi -- guanxi
That's what I thought as well. Many thanks.
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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